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Jun 30, 2020
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MwangoleCoug9
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You can’t win a championship with Gobert being one of your top 2 paid guys
On the team. That is a market inefficiency that other teams are taking advantage of compared to the Jazz. I honestly would see what you could get for him on the trade block
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POLL: Which is best for the Jazz (which would make them the most competitive team for the next 3-5 years):
unctoothman
Truly Addicted User
6/29/20 11:48pm
Mitchell is gone
yaxcoug
6/29/20 11:49pm
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Cougazul
6/29/20 11:55pm
He also can’t, we can match offers this first go around.
Alpi Gusto
6/30/20 12:06am
Yes, but I bet he asks for a trade.
yaxcoug
6/30/20 12:14am
If he does the jazz have time on their side to find a good deal.
JoeExotic
6/30/20 2:27am
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Cougazul
6/30/20 12:16am
This is not correct. If the Jazz offer him
wjman11
6/30/20 1:11am
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Cougazul
6/30/20 8:31am
If he accepts the 1 year QO, he can be unrestricted after year 5
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 8:44am
But no player has ever done this when they had a four year contract at or near
wjman11
6/30/20 10:33am
True, very risky. Really just used as a negotiation tactic
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 11:40am
Dudes are willing to give up money to play where they want. See Kawhi & AD,
LakeshowCougs
6/30/20 8:05am
Kawhi made up for it with an arrangement he only has to play 2/3 of the games.
ochobeeguy
6/30/20 9:32am
That's not giving up 20 million a year with nothing guaranteed long term
cougaman
6/30/20 9:56am
Don't bring that evil on us.
SandYFan
6/29/20 11:55pm
I hope I’m wrong
yaxcoug
6/30/20 12:04am
I don't think you can win a title with a center who can't defend the
SandYFan
6/29/20 11:56pm
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Cougazul
6/30/20 12:04am
Is the point you’re really trying to make is that you don’t
wjman11
6/30/20 1:20am
They aren't paying those guys the supermax
Huge Manatee
6/30/20 6:40am
I understand that. But that’s not what the post said.
wjman11
6/30/20 8:17am
I think he means that your star players can’t do that
puntersarepeople
6/30/20 9:32am
Most of the teams that have won recent titles have had three max level players.
wjman11
6/30/20 10:39am
Sure, but signing the supermax would make it impossible to add those other two
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 11:45am
There are three ways to get the superstar — draft, trade, free agency.
wjman11
6/30/20 1:26pm
I probably shouldn’t have used impossible, but almost.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 1:44pm
I think what you brought up with the luxury tax is the more important issue.
wjman11
6/30/20 2:06pm
Biggest roadblocks: Luxury Tax and Depletion of roster.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 2:34pm
Keep Mitchell and re-sign Rudy for less than the supermax
ManicBlue
6/30/20 12:34am
Yeah I think Rudy would be willing to take less than the supermax.
JuicyJam
6/30/20 7:29am
Rudy is the best player on the team. Better than Don. Keeping Rudy seems to be
RGreenha
6/30/20 7:05am
While I tend to agree. The league is so guard dominated now.
FinanceCoug
6/30/20 7:11am
Easier to get a skilled guard than skilled big. This is why it is guard dominant
ochobeeguy
6/30/20 9:33am
This is true, but Rudy isn’t a skilled big. At least not in the sense you mean
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 9:45am
Mitchell is #9 in advanced clutch ranking for NBA. Gobert is #14.
ochobeeguy
6/30/20 10:01am
So he just needs to do it over the entirety of the game and in the playoffs.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 11:33am
You can’t win a championship with Gobert being one of your top 2 paid guys
MwangoleCoug9
6/30/20 8:26am
You can’t win a championship without superstars forcing their way onto your team
Pepe
6/30/20 9:20am
The Raptors just won last year.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 9:34am
Kawhi was a huge upgrade in that trade. Also, it was a perfect storm for Toronto to win it.
unctoothman
6/30/20 9:45am
Sure, but there’s nothing keeping the jazz from doing something similar.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 9:50am
I agree the Jazz could build a team like that. Where Toronto was fortunate was the lack of other
unctoothman
6/30/20 12:19pm
True, the GS injuries were pretty big.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 12:35pm
Unfortunately, they drafted "generational talent" type guys twice
unctoothman
6/30/20 2:20pm
But they got very close and if you replay the Malone/Stockton careers 10 times
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 2:31pm
If they can get a top 5 player for Rudy by all means, trade him.
Pepe
6/30/20 10:23am
I actually think there’s a bigger argument for trading Donovan
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 11:38am
Well first off, he isn’t a top 20 player.
MwangoleCoug9
6/30/20 5:14pm
He’s definitely a top 20 player
wjman11
6/30/20 6:58pm
My bet is that Mwangolecoug9 isn't even familiar with advanced stats.
JoeExotic
6/30/20 7:03pm
Here are some rankings
wjman11
6/30/20 7:15pm
Ok, but then you have to admit Booker is better than Mitchell
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 7:25pm
I don’t have a problem with that. Not sure why you assumed I did.
wjman11
6/30/20 7:38pm
I assumed you were a jazz fan and most jazz fans think Mitchell is better.
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 7:59pm
Analytics are important, but you cant derive entire evaluations off of just
MwangoleCoug9
6/30/20 7:32pm
Go ahead and average a bunch of stats together.
wjman11
6/30/20 7:44pm
I think from a production standpoint, Rudy is a top 20 guy
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 8:04pm
You completely missed the point I was trying to make about analytics
MwangoleCoug9
6/30/20 8:51pm
I didn’t miss your point. I just don’t agree with you.
wjman11
6/30/20 9:28pm
There are biases on both ends
MwangoleCoug9
6/30/20 9:37pm
Again I didn’t miss your point. I just didn’t think it worthwhile
wjman11
6/30/20 10:15pm
You can literally do that with any analytical measure that you showed me
MwangoleCoug9
6/30/20 10:48pm
Please show me any evidence for your "I’m just telling you the actual people
wjman11
6/30/20 11:07pm
Also — I didn't point to one statistical measure — I gave you six that showed
wjman11
6/30/20 11:25pm
Majority of jazz fans don’t have primary goal of championship
JoeExotic
6/30/20 1:07pm
I just think you need to have a chance. Jazz will probably never be a favorite
PHXSUNS31
6/30/20 1:49pm
I disagree. But I'm not a Jazz fan who lives in Utah, so maybe I don't live around what you re describing.
unctoothman
6/30/20 2:21pm
I would say most jazz fans are more like Hypnotoad and others on here
JoeExotic
6/30/20 3:46pm
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