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Sep 29, 2020
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mulletino
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RE: We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.
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I think Jarom Jordan is being proven right re: dumbing down the schedule
Iman23
9/29/20 8:04am
I mean Alabama dumbs down the schedule every year. Seems to work for them. 😉
CougarTailDevourer
9/29/20 8:05am
Alabama routinely has one of the worst OOC schedules in the P5s.
BerkeleyCoug
9/29/20 8:39am
The SEC usually has a week OOC schedule. It looks great when all start 3-0.
Turn and Cough
9/29/20 9:23am
The SEC has utilized a fantastic strategy in the NY6 and CFP world.
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:03am
So why does Saban want 9 conference games?
antiyewt
9/29/20 10:20am
Because Alabama is really good. Missouri, Ole Miss, and Kentucky don't want 9
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:33am
You are SPOT ON...
dawgcoug
9/29/20 1:00pm
Alabama also has success in the SEC. Its not OOC schedule that gets them ranked
Tricky
9/29/20 8:53am
For every Alabama is a Vanderbilt. Clemson vs. Wake Forrest.
BYUHgrad
9/29/20 10:25am
Hmm. Alabama has averaged the 7th hardest SOS from 1997-2017.
BamaCoug
9/29/20 11:04am
I've been an advocate for dumbing down the the schedule but I wouldn't go this
mudpupper
9/29/20 8:06am
Agree. But undefeated in September is a nice feeling...
Iman23
9/29/20 8:08am
Navy, Army and Houston would be similar to low-end P5 wins.
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:11am
BYU is ranked because we destroyed Navy not because we destroyed Troy.
mulletino
9/29/20 8:08am
And because there were 30+ candidates left out of the polls at the time.
mudpupper
9/29/20 8:13am
Exactly. If we created THIS schedule on purpose, we’d be laughed off the face of
Cougblau
9/29/20 8:18am
THIS
ColonelMustard
9/29/20 2:54pm
The schedule 'works' because of the 2020 situation. It won't always work. Also,
Benfica1
9/29/20 8:48am
I don't think so....the reason we are in the national conversation is because we
Dangerous
9/29/20 8:08am
Yes.
Benfica1
9/29/20 8:49am
You think BYU is good this year because BYU beat the brakes off two bad teams
reddead
9/29/20 10:02am
Some very real considerations.
AZcougLawyer
9/29/20 10:12am
Nobody cares about blowing out NM State and Western Michigan in a bowl game when
here's to hoping
9/29/20 11:05am
If you are scared of marquee games in the season, then you don't deserve
Bolso
9/29/20 12:58pm
So here’s the thing
puntersarepeople
9/29/20 3:11pm
Half the county wasn’t playing. And we won big. Nothing else to talk about.
AZcougLawyer
9/29/20 10:10am
Imagine what people would think if we won all our games for the past 30 years.
IAmACougarManSir....
9/29/20 9:58pm
Bwahahaha. We are in a national convo because we killed a team
Blue2thebone
9/29/20 11:22pm
Maybe the problem is the schedule make up. BYU needs the benefit of a couple warm up games like most P5 teams get to
Soupie
9/30/20 12:55am
Or is it that this team is better?
Dr T-bone
9/29/20 8:08am
Yes, a better team and an improved coaching staff (experience together).
Benfica1
9/29/20 8:49am
Last years team looked like it may have had similar trajectory
puntersarepeople
9/29/20 11:41am
when we beat tennesse and USC, we were in the national conversation
Idahofallsblue
9/29/20 8:11am
And then we got crushed by Washington and has already been crushed by Utah.
RalphWiggam
9/29/20 8:15am
I think had we been 4-2 by following up the Washington loss by beating Toledo
dfudge
9/29/20 8:53am
Aye. But did we lose to Toledo and USF because we were too beat up from the
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:09am
I agree. What we have seen this season so far is encouraging.
dfudge
9/29/20 10:31am
I just think we need to avoid playing P5 four times in September.
DanSmith
9/29/20 8:13am
This. It's suicide. We're not good enough to do that.
Ash
9/29/20 9:20am
We don't have the depth to overcome the injuries from the early season p5
SFarkus
9/29/20 10:00am
Plus it has left all the garbage for November. Losses + garbage = no interest.
ochobeeguy
9/29/20 12:37pm
This is key. The 4th straight game against a P5 has been brutal to us. 0-5
BerkeleyCoug
9/29/20 10:08am
I wish we could have an agreement with the Pac12 and Big XII every year that when a team plays a late season OOC rivalry
Yllage Vidiot
9/29/20 1:42pm
Remember when BYU struggled against winless FCS Portland state in game 1?
Mr. Scoobs
9/29/20 8:15am
What Jordan was advocating was somewhere in between the original 2020 and the current 2020 schedule
Indy Coug
9/29/20 8:16am
Not really. The more schedules we have like this, the fewer players like Wilson, Tonga, Empey, Hoge, and Romney decide
YIsForBrigham
9/29/20 8:17am
Loser mentality. Play the best schedule you can.
TCuz
9/29/20 8:18am
I'd take "loser mentality" & undefeated seasons over "winner mentality" & 7-6
reddead
9/29/20 10:03am
Luckily that's a false dichotomy. Satan lost. We're free.
AZcougLawyer
9/29/20 2:28pm
Depends on the goal. If we want to get lost in the mix like Wake, Texas Tech
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:17am
Yeah I changed my thinking about 3-4 years ago and think that is the best for
cougfanz
9/29/20 8:19am
In a normal year - we would not be ranked or in the “national conversation” with those two first games.
cougXor
9/29/20 8:19am
Or we could join AAC and get the national attention all their teams are seeing.
ordinary tri guy
9/29/20 8:21am
Aye. I would push for the AAC to add BYU, Boise and SDSU. May be Air Force, UNLV
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:23am
Only one I care that comes is Boise...screw the rest of them. I know we need it
ordinary tri guy
9/29/20 12:05pm
You take SDSU so that BYU gets frequent SoCal games and to beat up the MWC
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 12:30pm
If the goal is to perpetually exist as 1979 BYU, Jarom is absolutely right.
shoganai
9/29/20 8:24am
I heard Jarom say 3 tough P5s with the rest G5s--a middle ground between what
Forzaitalia
9/29/20 8:55am
That is essentially the same as being in a G5 conference without any of the
dfudge
9/29/20 10:33am
Agree. Give me the AAC.
Forzaitalia
9/29/20 11:37am
It's not that it's not possible as a non-P5 (which you're right, it isn't), it's
macdizzle
9/29/20 1:55pm
Without B10 and P12 playing, BYU will always get more attention.
byuwahoo
9/29/20 8:26am
We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.
BYUtka
9/29/20 8:26am
RE: We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.
mulletino
9/29/20 8:35am
If we had beaten good teams that wouldn't have affected us as much.
BYUtka
9/29/20 8:37am
Um, and what about tOSU, Penn St, and Oregon?
mulletino
9/29/20 8:42am
How many teams above us lost? How many could we have jumped over?
BYUtka
9/29/20 8:56am
How many teams from the BIG and PAC received votes?
mulletino
9/29/20 9:13am
Irrelevant.
BYUtka
9/29/20 9:17am
It's irrelevant when 26 additional P5 teams become eligible to start peeling away a finite number of votes?
mulletino
9/29/20 9:30am
Only LSU and Oklahoma.
YIsForBrigham
9/29/20 10:27am
That's disingenuous. We moved down because two P5 conferences were added to the
BerkeleyCoug
9/29/20 8:37am
The trick was beating Navy big. If BYU beat SJSU big, nobody would've cared.
ToasterChive
9/29/20 8:27am
True. For cultural and historical reasons, people care about Navy. Nobody cares
panguitch
9/29/20 12:07pm
BYU is a great team this year. We've been looking forward to this year for 3
MaxxPower
9/29/20 9:06am
Yeah ever since that game where we started 7 freshman on offense I've been
puntersarepeople
9/29/20 12:35pm
So stupid and short sighted. Makes me so sad to see fans wanting a dumb schedule
LiveCoug
9/29/20 9:06am
Lots of BYU fans clearly aren’t Jets or Bills fans and don’t know how to handle any degree of losing.
TCuz
9/29/20 9:13am
Navy is not a nobody and Troy has some national respect.
D.T. Survivor
9/29/20 9:08am
One reason we're being taken seriously is because of the schedule we had.
SLIVER
9/29/20 9:12am
Cupcake independent schedule is a tough sell to a 16 year old HS recruit.
deliciousmocha
9/29/20 9:17am
This is the best team Kalani has had by far. BYU is getting respect because
Bostonblue
9/29/20 9:22am
Or it could just be bad luck. We get a really good balanced team on both sides
SnickSnack
9/29/20 9:24am
BYU is getting recognition because they are finally good.
Tangotongo
9/29/20 9:37am
Jarom's theory has been proven right for any season in which only 79 teams play.
andrewg3
9/29/20 9:40am
Jarom's a tool. Let's go FCS then and be the Alabama of FCS.
GilbertAZCougar
9/29/20 9:53am
People Care because BYUs first game was when almost no one was playing and they
A Drew Aitch
9/29/20 9:55am
Navy isn't "absolutely nobody"
basc-coug
9/29/20 9:57am
I think our level of recruiting and coaching drops if we perpetually
mwcoug
9/29/20 10:00am
Our recruiting has dropped since scheduling UP, because we aren't winning
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 10:43am
Recruiting will likely get worse, not stay the same, if the schedule gets weaker
mwcoug
9/29/20 12:16pm
Like all the winning AAC, CUSA & Sun Belt schools that recruit better than BYU?
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 12:31pm
Consistently recruit better?
mwcoug
9/29/20 1:34pm
Troy is a pretty good Sunbelt that looked completely outclassed by BYU
puntersarepeople
9/29/20 3:13pm
Troy went 3-5 in Sun Belt last year; 5-7 overall.
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 3:51pm
So would you decline an invitation to a P5 conference because it will lead to
cwilke1
9/30/20 10:58am
No. We'd get the P5 recruiting bump and have the resources to compete
Doogal McCougar
9/30/20 11:11am
it seems like following your arguments that you think recruiting will go down
cwilke1
9/30/20 11:49am
Nope. Recruiting would improve because of the P5 affiliation. Not sure on $$
Doogal McCougar
9/30/20 12:31pm
P5 is where the money is at. So I imagine ESPN will give us less money than
cwilke1
9/30/20 12:56pm
so part of your overall premise is that BYU should be trying to trick fans,
cwilke1
9/30/20 12:59pm
He's wrong and he's annoying about it. He beats the same drum all day long.
JKLCoug
9/29/20 10:17am
uhhm Jordan never said to add a pandemic in order to make it happen. Take away
DJROSS
9/29/20 10:36am
How much would ESPN pay for a significantly dumbed down schedule?
Scratch
9/29/20 11:23am
Not as much. But it doesn't need to be a significant change.
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 11:53am
You will not get high star recruits by winning and beating bad mediocre teams
BYUvermont
9/29/20 11:26am
Recruiting rankings and player stars were better before independence
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 11:44am
the competition for recruits improved once BYU went independent.
cwilke1
9/29/20 12:18pm
Lesser teams consistently out-recruit BYU. Correlation between P5 and/or wins
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 12:33pm
NOT REALLY! If all conferences had started as originally scheduled, BYU would not be ranked today. Also, BYU’s pitch
Cougarpride
9/29/20 11:54am
You make a logical point which is hard not to notice but...
Pretorian
9/29/20 12:54pm
It was so boring. It was so boring. Games meant nothing. I’d rather lose than play this s hedules again.
Dr MoBYU
9/29/20 1:18pm
Problem with Dumb Down Schedule is Recruits like to Play good teams
hammergm
9/29/20 1:28pm
LA Tech, Toledo, North Texas, and Florida Atlantic had better 2020 recruiting
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 1:41pm
Joining AAC doesn't mean we will start getting that caliber of a recruit, even
here's to hoping
9/29/20 5:02pm
We recruited like an average P5 in the MWC and early independence
Doogal McCougar
9/29/20 5:39pm
While that is true, Utah was also in the MWC and it was closer in time to the
here's to hoping
9/30/20 7:52am
Boise State consistently out recruits. So do Cincinnati, UCF and Houston.
Doogal McCougar
9/30/20 8:32am
oops, we are caught in a loop
here's to hoping
9/30/20 8:37am
Are we really in the National conversation though?
che flaco
9/29/20 2:38pm
I completely disagree. We’re dropping out of the nat’l conversation
qom
9/29/20 4:28pm
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