Nope. Recruiting would improve because of the P5 affiliation. Not sure on $$

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Sep 30, 2020
12:31:20pm

Doogal McCougar Truly Addicted User

Nope. Recruiting would improve because of the P5 affiliation. Not sure on $$

If you're talking about P5 $$ that's an easy slam dunk that would help recruiting, coaching salaries, and be a game-changer for BYU's program.

But, what if we're talking about adjustments to the independent schedule philosophy?

Would money decrease significantly if we replaced one good P5 home game for TWO G5 home games?

Attendance hasn't been great lately. Would attendance increase if we are winning 8-10 games a year rather than 6 or 7? Would overall attendance and gate and sponsorship revenue increase if we were to play 7 home games instead of 6?

I don't know - how does the money compare between these two home schedules?

- (7 games) Utah, Missouri, Houston, Cincinnati, San Diego State, UTSA, North Alabama
- (6 games) Utah, Michigan State, Missouri, Houston, San Diego State, North Alabama

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I think Jarom Jordan is being proven right re: dumbing down the schedule

Iman23

9/29/20 8:04am

I mean Alabama dumbs down the schedule every year. Seems to work for them. 😉

CougarTailDevourer

9/29/20 8:05am

Alabama routinely has one of the worst OOC schedules in the P5s.

9/29/20 8:39am

The SEC usually has a week OOC schedule. It looks great when all start 3-0.

9/29/20 9:23am

The SEC has utilized a fantastic strategy in the NY6 and CFP world.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:03am

So why does Saban want 9 conference games?

antiyewt

9/29/20 10:20am

Because Alabama is really good. Missouri, Ole Miss, and Kentucky don't want 9

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:33am

You are SPOT ON...

dawgcoug

9/29/20 1:00pm

Alabama also has success in the SEC. Its not OOC schedule that gets them ranked

Tricky

9/29/20 8:53am

For every Alabama is a Vanderbilt. Clemson vs. Wake Forrest.

BYUHgrad

9/29/20 10:25am

Hmm. Alabama has averaged the 7th hardest SOS from 1997-2017.

BamaCoug

9/29/20 11:04am

I've been an advocate for dumbing down the the schedule but I wouldn't go this

mudpupper

9/29/20 8:06am

Agree. But undefeated in September is a nice feeling...

Iman23

9/29/20 8:08am

Navy, Army and Houston would be similar to low-end P5 wins.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:11am

BYU is ranked because we destroyed Navy not because we destroyed Troy.

mulletino

9/29/20 8:08am

And because there were 30+ candidates left out of the polls at the time.

mudpupper

9/29/20 8:13am

Exactly. If we created THIS schedule on purpose, we’d be laughed off the face of

Cougblau

9/29/20 8:18am

THIS

9/29/20 2:54pm

The schedule 'works' because of the 2020 situation. It won't always work. Also,

Benfica1

9/29/20 8:48am

I don't think so....the reason we are in the national conversation is because we

Dangerous

9/29/20 8:08am

Yes.

Benfica1

9/29/20 8:49am

You think BYU is good this year because BYU beat the brakes off two bad teams

reddead

9/29/20 10:02am

Some very real considerations.

9/29/20 10:12am

Nobody cares about blowing out NM State and Western Michigan in a bowl game when

here's to hoping

9/29/20 11:05am

If you are scared of marquee games in the season, then you don't deserve

Bolso

9/29/20 12:58pm

So here’s the thing

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 3:11pm

Half the county wasn’t playing. And we won big. Nothing else to talk about.

9/29/20 10:10am

Imagine what people would think if we won all our games for the past 30 years.

IAmACougarManSir....

9/29/20 9:58pm

Bwahahaha. We are in a national convo because we killed a team

Blue2thebone

9/29/20 11:22pm

Maybe the problem is the schedule make up. BYU needs the benefit of a couple warm up games like most P5 teams get to

Soupie

9/30/20 12:55am

Or is it that this team is better?

Dr T-bone

9/29/20 8:08am

Yes, a better team and an improved coaching staff (experience together).

Benfica1

9/29/20 8:49am

Last years team looked like it may have had similar trajectory

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 11:41am

when we beat tennesse and USC, we were in the national conversation

9/29/20 8:11am

And then we got crushed by Washington and has already been crushed by Utah.

RalphWiggam

9/29/20 8:15am

I think had we been 4-2 by following up the Washington loss by beating Toledo

dfudge

9/29/20 8:53am

Aye. But did we lose to Toledo and USF because we were too beat up from the

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:09am

I agree. What we have seen this season so far is encouraging.

dfudge

9/29/20 10:31am

I just think we need to avoid playing P5 four times in September.

DanSmith

9/29/20 8:13am

This. It's suicide. We're not good enough to do that.

Ash

9/29/20 9:20am

We don't have the depth to overcome the injuries from the early season p5

SFarkus

9/29/20 10:00am

Plus it has left all the garbage for November. Losses + garbage = no interest.

ochobeeguy

9/29/20 12:37pm

This is key. The 4th straight game against a P5 has been brutal to us. 0-5

9/29/20 10:08am

I wish we could have an agreement with the Pac12 and Big XII every year that when a team plays a late season OOC rivalry

9/29/20 1:42pm

Remember when BYU struggled against winless FCS Portland state in game 1?

Mr. Scoobs

9/29/20 8:15am

What Jordan was advocating was somewhere in between the original 2020 and the current 2020 schedule

Indy Coug

9/29/20 8:16am

Not really. The more schedules we have like this, the fewer players like Wilson, Tonga, Empey, Hoge, and Romney decide

9/29/20 8:17am

Loser mentality. Play the best schedule you can.

TCuz

9/29/20 8:18am

I'd take "loser mentality" & undefeated seasons over "winner mentality" & 7-6

reddead

9/29/20 10:03am

Luckily that's a false dichotomy. Satan lost. We're free.

9/29/20 2:28pm

Depends on the goal. If we want to get lost in the mix like Wake, Texas Tech

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:17am

Yeah I changed my thinking about 3-4 years ago and think that is the best for

cougfanz

9/29/20 8:19am

In a normal year - we would not be ranked or in the “national conversation” with those two first games.

cougXor

9/29/20 8:19am

Or we could join AAC and get the national attention all their teams are seeing.

ordinary tri guy

9/29/20 8:21am

Aye. I would push for the AAC to add BYU, Boise and SDSU. May be Air Force, UNLV

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:23am

Only one I care that comes is Boise...screw the rest of them. I know we need it

ordinary tri guy

9/29/20 12:05pm

You take SDSU so that BYU gets frequent SoCal games and to beat up the MWC

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 12:30pm

If the goal is to perpetually exist as 1979 BYU, Jarom is absolutely right.

shoganai

9/29/20 8:24am

I heard Jarom say 3 tough P5s with the rest G5s--a middle ground between what

Forzaitalia

9/29/20 8:55am

That is essentially the same as being in a G5 conference without any of the

dfudge

9/29/20 10:33am

Agree. Give me the AAC.

Forzaitalia

9/29/20 11:37am

It's not that it's not possible as a non-P5 (which you're right, it isn't), it's

macdizzle

9/29/20 1:55pm

Without B10 and P12 playing, BYU will always get more attention.

byuwahoo

9/29/20 8:26am

We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.

BYUtka

9/29/20 8:26am

RE: We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.

mulletino

9/29/20 8:35am

If we had beaten good teams that wouldn't have affected us as much.

BYUtka

9/29/20 8:37am

Um, and what about tOSU, Penn St, and Oregon?

mulletino

9/29/20 8:42am

How many teams above us lost? How many could we have jumped over?

BYUtka

9/29/20 8:56am

How many teams from the BIG and PAC received votes?

mulletino

9/29/20 9:13am

Irrelevant.

BYUtka

9/29/20 9:17am

It's irrelevant when 26 additional P5 teams become eligible to start peeling away a finite number of votes?

mulletino

9/29/20 9:30am

Only LSU and Oklahoma.

9/29/20 10:27am

That's disingenuous. We moved down because two P5 conferences were added to the

9/29/20 8:37am

The trick was beating Navy big. If BYU beat SJSU big, nobody would've cared.

9/29/20 8:27am

True. For cultural and historical reasons, people care about Navy. Nobody cares

panguitch

9/29/20 12:07pm

BYU is a great team this year. We've been looking forward to this year for 3

MaxxPower

9/29/20 9:06am

Yeah ever since that game where we started 7 freshman on offense I've been

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 12:35pm

So stupid and short sighted. Makes me so sad to see fans wanting a dumb schedule

LiveCoug

9/29/20 9:06am

Lots of BYU fans clearly aren’t Jets or Bills fans and don’t know how to handle any degree of losing.

TCuz

9/29/20 9:13am

Navy is not a nobody and Troy has some national respect.

9/29/20 9:08am

One reason we're being taken seriously is because of the schedule we had.

SLIVER

9/29/20 9:12am

Cupcake independent schedule is a tough sell to a 16 year old HS recruit.

9/29/20 9:17am

This is the best team Kalani has had by far. BYU is getting respect because

Bostonblue

9/29/20 9:22am

Or it could just be bad luck. We get a really good balanced team on both sides

SnickSnack

9/29/20 9:24am

BYU is getting recognition because they are finally good.

Tangotongo

9/29/20 9:37am

Jarom's theory has been proven right for any season in which only 79 teams play.

andrewg3

9/29/20 9:40am

Jarom's a tool. Let's go FCS then and be the Alabama of FCS.

GilbertAZCougar

9/29/20 9:53am

People Care because BYUs first game was when almost no one was playing and they

9/29/20 9:55am

Navy isn't "absolutely nobody"

basc-coug

9/29/20 9:57am

I think our level of recruiting and coaching drops if we perpetually

mwcoug

9/29/20 10:00am

Our recruiting has dropped since scheduling UP, because we aren't winning

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:43am

Recruiting will likely get worse, not stay the same, if the schedule gets weaker

mwcoug

9/29/20 12:16pm

Like all the winning AAC, CUSA & Sun Belt schools that recruit better than BYU?

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 12:31pm

Consistently recruit better?

mwcoug

9/29/20 1:34pm

Troy is a pretty good Sunbelt that looked completely outclassed by BYU

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 3:13pm

Troy went 3-5 in Sun Belt last year; 5-7 overall.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 3:51pm

So would you decline an invitation to a P5 conference because it will lead to

cwilke1

9/30/20 10:58am

No. We'd get the P5 recruiting bump and have the resources to compete

Doogal McCougar

9/30/20 11:11am

it seems like following your arguments that you think recruiting will go down

cwilke1

9/30/20 11:49am

Nope. Recruiting would improve because of the P5 affiliation. Not sure on $$

Doogal McCougar

9/30/20 12:31pm

P5 is where the money is at. So I imagine ESPN will give us less money than

cwilke1

9/30/20 12:56pm

so part of your overall premise is that BYU should be trying to trick fans,

cwilke1

9/30/20 12:59pm

He's wrong and he's annoying about it. He beats the same drum all day long.

JKLCoug

9/29/20 10:17am

uhhm Jordan never said to add a pandemic in order to make it happen. Take away

DJROSS

9/29/20 10:36am

How much would ESPN pay for a significantly dumbed down schedule?

Scratch

9/29/20 11:23am

Not as much. But it doesn't need to be a significant change.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 11:53am

You will not get high star recruits by winning and beating bad mediocre teams

BYUvermont

9/29/20 11:26am

Recruiting rankings and player stars were better before independence

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 11:44am

the competition for recruits improved once BYU went independent.

cwilke1

9/29/20 12:18pm

Lesser teams consistently out-recruit BYU. Correlation between P5 and/or wins

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 12:33pm

NOT REALLY! If all conferences had started as originally scheduled, BYU would not be ranked today. Also, BYU’s pitch

Cougarpride

9/29/20 11:54am

You make a logical point which is hard not to notice but...

Pretorian

9/29/20 12:54pm

It was so boring. It was so boring. Games meant nothing. I’d rather lose than play this s hedules again.

Dr MoBYU

9/29/20 1:18pm

Problem with Dumb Down Schedule is Recruits like to Play good teams

hammergm

9/29/20 1:28pm

LA Tech, Toledo, North Texas, and Florida Atlantic had better 2020 recruiting

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 1:41pm

Joining AAC doesn't mean we will start getting that caliber of a recruit, even

here's to hoping

9/29/20 5:02pm

We recruited like an average P5 in the MWC and early independence

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 5:39pm

While that is true, Utah was also in the MWC and it was closer in time to the

here's to hoping

9/30/20 7:52am

Boise State consistently out recruits. So do Cincinnati, UCF and Houston.

Doogal McCougar

9/30/20 8:32am

oops, we are caught in a loop

here's to hoping

9/30/20 8:37am

Are we really in the National conversation though?

che flaco

9/29/20 2:38pm

I completely disagree. We’re dropping out of the nat’l conversation

qom

9/29/20 4:28pm

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