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jkccoug
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This is big...
Westsider
6/10/21 11:41am
6 highest ranked conference champs is an invite for BYU to join the AAC. Because 6 best at large will be tough to make.
Turnpike Lane
6/10/21 11:43am
Depressing
LiveCoug
6/10/21 11:43am
I mean, that way the AAC becomes the de facto P6 conference for real.
BlueVU
6/10/21 11:46am
It can never be P6. Not autonomous and not even close in money
Nat Gas Man
6/10/21 11:48am
If they move to this model, the P5 label won't matter moving forward.
Westsider
6/10/21 11:50am
The P5 label is something manufactured by the media.
Everyman
6/10/21 12:06pm
Pretty sure the P5 label was self-applied by the P5 conferences
cougarmeister
6/10/21 12:25pm
It was an actual thing for auto-bids to NY6 games, just as AQ conferences were
Hotlanta
6/10/21 12:33pm
The press coins the phrases Power 5 and Group of 5, in 2014,
Everyman
6/10/21 2:11pm
Well how does a conference “become autonomous?” Have to lobby the NCAA right?
ColonelMustard
6/10/21 4:55pm
Doubtful, it wasn’t the NCAA, they don’t decide anything with FBS
Nat Gas Man
6/10/21 6:13pm
I believe it happened like this.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/10/21 9:40pm
That’s how I remembered it. The NCAA “granted them” autonomy. So couldn’t
ColonelMustard
6/10/21 10:48pm
Yup. They acted together like a cartel wielding its power. AAC doesn’t have
StalwartBraveTrue
6/10/21 11:07pm
The bias towards the original P5 conferences will still be there
LifelongAP
6/10/21 12:10pm
Boise, SDSU, Air Force and BYU should join the AAC now
RenoCoug
6/10/21 12:54pm
If you add those 4 teams I admit that is tough to argue against.
BleedCougarBlue2
6/10/21 3:49pm
It's an invite to file an anti-trust suit
jkccoug
6/10/21 1:26pm
I couldn't agree with this more.
WHO DEY
6/10/21 5:59pm
Dang. That would be big
TNT
6/10/21 11:43am
Like a painful poop you're forced to frame.
SinkingQuffa
6/10/21 1:19pm
who forces you to frame your poo?
here's to hoping
6/10/21 1:20pm
Hasn't happened. Yet.
SinkingQuffa
6/10/21 1:22pm
So is the six champ the highest ranked G5?
mudpupper
6/10/21 11:43am
yes
BYUheaven
6/10/21 11:44am
The way I read it, there would be no more P5/G5 distinction.
Westsider
6/10/21 11:45am
While that is technically true, I guess that 95% of the time all five p5 champs
cougarfan84
6/10/21 11:49am
No way the committee actually lets 2 G5 champs in
KingDave
6/10/21 12:15pm
2020, #25 Oregon was not getting in over undefeated Coastal Carolina
Hotlanta
6/10/21 12:33pm
RE: 2020, #25 Oregon was not getting in over undefeated Coastal Carolina
KingDave
6/10/21 12:43pm
I wouldn't be surprised if the rankings wouldve just been doctored differently
here's to hoping
6/10/21 1:01pm
How would they do the ranking? By a bias committee no doubt.
scott715
6/10/21 4:21pm
Committee must be eliminated!
AZcougLawyer
6/10/21 5:48pm
Yup that's how the P5 continues to control the playoffs. Go to the computer poll
BYU Grounds
6/10/21 5:57pm
I totally agree and for sure the AAC champ will be playing Alabama first. But
Blue chunks
6/10/21 7:06pm
Last year, P12 would've been left out and both Coastal and Cinci would've been in the playoff.
molodyets
6/10/21 11:46am
Yeah, but last year was a huge aberration especially with the pac-12 playing
cougarfan84
6/10/21 11:50am
the question is would they have still ranked them that way...
CrashMcLarson
6/10/21 11:58am
This is the most insightful and underrated question here.
StalwartBraveTrue
6/10/21 12:55pm
RE: the question is would they have still ranked them that way...
KingDave
6/10/21 12:59pm
With how bad the Pac 12 is right now, it could be two G5's champs that get in
RenoCoug
6/10/21 12:56pm
Sounds great. Would be even better if the teams were ranked by a computer system, not a committee.
DieHarder
6/10/21 11:43am
Right. Need an emotionless, unbiased computer system to rank the teams.
Westsider
6/10/21 11:48am
The current "computer rankings" are skewed by the paramters of the P5
AZ Coug
6/10/21 1:35pm
Honestly if they did that they wouldn’t even need a playoff, just a championship
gww687
6/10/21 3:22pm
The AAC right now
BlueVU
6/10/21 11:45am
The MWC right now......
StarMan
6/10/21 11:49am
The world
BlueVU
6/10/21 11:57am
Yes. For example, if you had two undefeated G5 conf champs (let's say #15ish)
Still Questing
6/10/21 11:45am
But the committee still controls the rankings. Not independent. So no G5 champs
Nat Gas Man
6/10/21 11:47am
There are only 5 P5 Champs, so at least 1 G5 champ gets in.
Turnpike Lane
6/10/21 11:48am
...every year as the 12 seed.
cougarmeister
6/10/21 12:33pm
Which is infinitely better than the status quo
BYU Fan
6/10/21 12:43pm
Please recheck your math. 6 Conference Champs ensures that at least one current G5 conference gets a team in
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/10/21 11:48am
Assuming the big conferences stay at 14. If the money is there they could split
Nat Gas Man
6/10/21 11:52am
Also, every team could go independent with no conferences left. But both of those are highly unlikely
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/10/21 12:12pm
If Boise and UCF (for example) both win and finish ranked higher than Stanford
SLIVER
6/10/21 11:51am
except they wont rank them that way
CrashMcLarson
6/10/21 12:00pm
Says you
GeorgeAlbertsgoatie
6/10/21 4:52pm
We saw a great example last year with BYU's ranking by the committee. Rankings
byusage
6/10/21 12:34pm
Except we are conveniently negating the fact that the committee was suspicious
GeorgeAlbertsgoatie
6/10/21 4:54pm
Committee must be nuked.
AZcougLawyer
6/10/21 5:50pm
You don't need more than eight teams for the playoff.
Genghis Spreads
6/10/21 11:47am
Wut? You are
wanting
less teams for a playoff?
TNT
6/10/21 11:48am
Yes you do. Time to spread the talent around. The 4-team playoff has absolutely consolidated it. Time to reverse that.
Turnpike Lane
6/10/21 11:49am
Why is Greg Kite's Stache thumbs downing me? I can understand the others, but he
Genghis Spreads
6/10/21 11:50am
You get a thumbs-down for being so focused on defining the "best" team. I want a playoff with as many games as possible
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/10/21 11:58am
I don't like formats that render the regular season of little meaning.
Genghis Spreads
6/10/21 12:16pm
This is, in my opinion, a silly argument. A championship tournament doesn't nullify the regular season at all
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/10/21 12:24pm
But you see, we know before the season starts that none of those 125 teams
dfudge
6/10/21 4:44pm
such a bad take... regular season is currently meaningless for most teams
Ryan M
6/10/21 12:25pm
Oh, so you don't like sports. Your takes make a lot more sense now.
dfudge
6/10/21 4:40pm
Do you also believe march madness should stop at the 8th seed?
IceCreamButt
6/10/21 12:22pm
No. Empirically in college football the best team has never been ranked lower
Genghis Spreads
6/10/21 1:45pm
But that's reverse-engineering things after the fact
reddead
6/10/21 4:30pm
False: No champ has been ranked lower than 4th. For obvious reasons.😉
StalwartBraveTrue
6/10/21 4:51pm
The bst team in March madness has never been lower than an 8th seed, empirically
IceCreamButt
6/10/21 7:36pm
This gives the G5 teams a chance instead of having to play Alabama each year
BYU Fan
6/10/21 11:50am
Your ability to consistently have terrible opinions is impressive
g$
6/10/21 11:52am
Why limit the fun? The eventual champion is almost always going to be from the top 8....
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/10/21 11:54am
Probably but what about teams
BYU '80
6/10/21 12:24pm
Hence the use of the phrase, "the eventual champion is ALMOST always going to come from the top 8"
Greg Kite's 'stache
6/10/21 12:44pm
Five conference champs and three at large teams.
RC Vikings
6/10/21 12:09pm
How do you know what I need?
icecougar
6/10/21 12:42pm
You also don't need 64 teams in the college basketball playoff
HRCougar
6/10/21 12:48pm
So they are going to go with a committee to ranks teams and we'll never ever see a G5 ranked higher than a P5...
Coug
6/10/21 11:48am
Your assumption that in this scenario the committee would have ranked Oregon
GeorgeAlbertsgoatie
6/10/21 5:02pm
BYU needs to join a conference if this happens
DanSmith
6/10/21 11:48am
BYU needs to lock up with the BIGXII or PAC, the same way Notre Dame is... or join the AAC...
Coug
6/10/21 11:51am
What would BYU bring to the Big 12 or PAC 12 in that scenario?
BYU Fan
6/10/21 11:54am
I agree. Could BYU work out a deal with either conference where the conference
bigbossbyu
6/10/21 11:59am
If anything, it brings SOS benefits to either conference...
Coug
6/10/21 12:11pm
I wonder if they'll give higher seeds to conference champs rather than by
thewaterboy
6/10/21 11:50am
Six At Large spots seems like enough for an undefeated BYU to squeeze in..
SLIVER
6/10/21 11:54am
I think gaining access to the 6 autobids is necessary if this model is adopted
Westsider
6/10/21 11:55am
I'm not opposed to the AAC, but if we stay Indy we'll have better access now..
SLIVER
6/10/21 12:01pm
I'd prefer the guaranteed spot but I'm sure some fans will prefer Indy
BYU Fan
6/10/21 11:56am
How about a 1 loss BYU team that won the AAC against lesser competition?
RenoCoug
6/10/21 12:58pm
It would be even easier to win in the MWC but I hate those guys and don’t want
ColonelMustard
6/10/21 5:02pm
Probably not, IMO. If even one conf. champion is outside #12, BYU is in trouble
reddead
6/10/21 4:35pm
I wonder how Notre Dame is handled, are they only eligible for at-large?
Hill4Heisman
6/10/21 12:09pm
In the current Top 4 setup, indy Notre Dame wasn't getting any conf champ bonus
Still Questing
6/10/21 12:32pm
Might be harder to get AAC votes to join their league now
Hill4Heisman
6/10/21 12:10pm
That's what I'm thinking. Waiting until it makes complete sense for BYU could
Captain Barnacles
6/10/21 12:46pm
So stupid. If you are doing 12, no reason not to do 16.
BluebloodOR
6/10/21 12:22pm
They may want to start small with the option to evolve to 16
jrifkin48
6/10/21 12:32pm
Somehow by the end of season all P5 champs would be higher ranked that at least
ImuaKahuku
6/10/21 12:31pm
6 at-large spots will almost always result in the P5 cartel using those spots
D.T. Survivor
6/10/21 12:37pm
But it is the best chance for BYU to get in. An undefeated BYU is in, a 1 loss
ImuaKahuku
6/10/21 12:49pm
Only chance for BYU getting in as an independent would be with 10+ P5’s
bigbossbyu
6/10/21 1:25pm
Not true. Getting in Top 12 is much easier than say Top 4.
Hill4Heisman
6/10/21 2:16pm
Right. But we finished the year at #16 in the playoff rankings.
bigbossbyu
6/10/21 2:56pm
Hard to finish top-12, and it gets harder to hit the cut-line when it moves
reddead
6/10/21 4:49pm
Yep - let major conf champs in, and then fill the rest with SEC runner-ups
BluebloodOR
6/10/21 2:48pm
Yup, these guys haven’t changed they just got caught and want to pretend
Blue chunks
6/12/21 7:29am
Byu still would’ve been left in the cold unfortunately. Even with 12 spots
SlantRoute
6/10/21 1:19pm
Time to join the AAC
mm73
6/10/21 1:53pm
This is unquestionably a net positive for college football. As it effects BYU,
gww687
6/10/21 3:24pm
If this 12 team playoff scenario passes, emphasis will be more on
1CougFan
6/11/21 8:10am
This is assuming the scenario of top 12 ranked teams get in regardless
1CougFan
6/11/21 8:20am
There is no way they will allow a P5 league
pappabear246
6/10/21 7:53pm
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