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The formula is so simple and obvious.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:29am
why so much focus on bad conferences getting gift berths? maybe if they are unde
Hsaru
12/1/22 11:29am
They are only bad because they lack access, even the playing field and that will change
Remigius
12/1/22 11:31am
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. Gonzaga wouldn’t be gonzaga without (edited)
ColonelMustard
12/1/22 5:08pm
Because you don't have a true sporting competition as long as it's decided by a
shoganai
12/1/22 11:32am
Absolutely - this is the answer.
Eddie
12/1/22 1:29pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:35am
part of the magic of the NCAA tourney is the occasional cinderella team.
hxmCougar2000
12/1/22 11:53am
Because the bad conferences are bad because they have been artificially held dow
fattycoug
12/1/22 12:10pm
The national championship should be decided on the field.
Cougzilla
12/1/22 12:25pm
Such an odd argument for a BYU fan to make
MDub1
12/1/22 1:53pm
Because otherwise we're back to the lame committees
akbarishiwatsu
12/1/22 3:29pm
MWC, MAC, and Sun Belt champs shouldn't get an auto berth.
shimmy
12/1/22 11:32am
If we don't believe every team should control its own destiny, then it's time to
shoganai
12/1/22 11:33am
oooh scary. 9-3 Ohio Bobcats shouldn't get an auto bid sorry.
shimmy
12/1/22 11:39am
There is no legitimate sporting argument for denying them one.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:42am
Since sporting is an arbitrary and subjective term, you can be correct. Excluding 10-2 Penn State for 8-5 Toledo is
shimmy
12/1/22 11:46am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:47am
Keep making the basketball comparisons. It's a good look.
shimmy
12/1/22 11:50am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:52am
You're acting like the only difference between 350/68/32/36 and 120/16/10/6 is the sport they play
shimmy
12/1/22 12:02pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:20pm
College basketball and college football are not the same and it's a bad comp
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 12:06pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:20pm
What other college sport excludes conference champions from tournaments to crown a champion?
Remigius
12/1/22 12:32pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:43pm
There are some pretty big differences that you're overlooking
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 1:42pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:46pm
Exclusion is holding teams back? So, you're telling me that more recruits
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 2:52pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 2:58pm
Its holding back programs
Remigius
12/1/22 3:06pm
but there is no REAL P5 or G5. If you are going to separate the 2 and exclude
fattycoug
12/1/22 1:50pm
That's fine, I'm cool with that. But as it stands, G5 shouldn't get an autobid
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 2:53pm
If this was true, then Texas who gets many 4* and 5*'s every year
archie
12/1/22 2:23pm
"Play on the field should matter." That's my whole point
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 2:48pm
You are making a good argument for separate divisions and a bad one to exlude
Cougzilla
12/1/22 3:03pm
Penn State is free to apply to join the MAC at any time if they would prefer an
shoganai
12/1/22 11:48am
Well the good news is that your plan will never be considered so you'll have to console yourself with being sporting and
shimmy
12/1/22 11:49am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:50am
There is no way playoff expansion stops at 12 teams and six auto-bids.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:51am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:51am
May not stop at 12 and 6, but it's not going to 16 and 10.
shimmy
12/1/22 11:52am
Unless FBS breaks up (which it might at some point) it will probably land at 24.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:57am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:49am
Conferences could go back to 12 teams and be regional again. I’m for it.
GilbertAZCougar
12/1/22 4:53pm
Disagree. Make it like March madness. Would be awesome seeing potential
Chefcurry
12/1/22 11:34am
Have you ever watched college football before? This would not happen.
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 11:39am
Upsets would happen. Not often but they would. Good football teams still get
Chefcurry
12/1/22 12:05pm
Upsets would happen when you get an 11-0 Cincinnati team playing Notre Dame
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 1:44pm
UGA throttling Eastern Michican 67-0 isn't worth a 35-21 game every 20 years.
shimmy
12/1/22 11:40am
Sure only one 16 seed has ever beaten a number 1 seed in March madness but it
Chefcurry
12/1/22 12:07pm
I'm for more games and deserving g5 teams getting in, even getting an advantage, but you can't just say MAC Champ=auto
shimmy
12/1/22 12:09pm
They should play each other for one berth.
dYrtbYkerYder
12/1/22 11:35am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:36am
Just give them an autoberth... perhaps some elite teams will go to those confere
AFewThoughts
12/1/22 11:40am
Why not?
UberDeek
12/1/22 11:40am
Reason #1. We're P5 now so forget them kids.
shimmy
12/1/22 11:41am
Actually, a pretty compelling argument.
UberDeek
12/1/22 1:22pm
Because a 9-3 Utah State or 8-4 Northern Illinois doesn't deserve a bid
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 11:41am
What if Utah wins the Pac12 this year? They'll be 10-3, would you argue they
UberDeek
12/1/22 1:24pm
Yes, they should get in.
RealTaysomHill
12/1/22 2:59pm
Your argument is weak and you lost
UberDeek
12/2/22 8:49am
Then make a new division for then or give then access. The reason they aren't
fattycoug
12/1/22 12:12pm
Including them would actually help the parity in CFB
Cougs4Lfe
12/1/22 1:08pm
You sound like everyone we hated before the Big 12 invite.
TailgateU
12/1/22 8:17pm
Ohio State is welcome to move to the Sun Belt
YOHONOMOTO
12/1/22 9:05pm
At larges are subject to exactly what you wish to avoid.
DJROSS
12/1/22 11:33am
Not at all. Every team controls its own destiny at the start of the season.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:35am
It just provides Troy & Toledo an infinitely easier path than Alabama or BYU
BYU Fan
12/1/22 11:38am
I'm sure the Sun Belt conference would happily accept Alabama's application if
shoganai
12/1/22 11:41am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:45am
I used to agree, but
IdahoCoug
12/1/22 11:38am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:46am
How do you decide where the home game is played?
Tesla Coug
12/1/22 11:39am
Seed them either by vote or by computer rankings.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:46am
8 teams. All P5 conference champs plus 3 at-large, where at least one of those
garyfan
12/1/22 11:43am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:48am
If you insist that everyone is out to get you, then nothing will appease you.
garyfan
12/1/22 11:49am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:53am
Are you suggesting Cincy wouldn’t have made the new 12-team tournament or the
garyfan
12/1/22 11:55am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:56am
And I’m asking you to provide an example in the last 30 years when that
garyfan
12/1/22 12:00pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:02pm
RE: You can read what I wrote. The last 30 years aren’t good data because
garyfan
12/1/22 12:03pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:21pm
RE: Good comeback.
garyfan
12/1/22 12:27pm
You would have to guarantee any undefeated team is in for everyone to control
BYUCLA
12/1/22 11:49am
Find me the year when an undefeated team would have been excluded w/ this model.
garyfan
12/1/22 11:51am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:54am
Boogey man
garyfan
12/1/22 11:55am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:59am
We aren’t talking about a 4-team playoff. This is about an 8-team or 12-team
garyfan
12/1/22 12:01pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:02pm
In 2020 we literally had to schedule Coastal Carolina to avoid being left out
BYUCLA
12/1/22 12:17pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:21pm
BYU was #8 heading into the Coastal Carolina game, which we lost.
garyfan
12/1/22 12:26pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:36pm
So now your argument is that CC would have been left out of a 12-team playoff,
garyfan
12/1/22 12:39pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:44pm
I just searched for 2020 rankings (in general). But did you know that CC was #12
garyfan
12/1/22 12:51pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:57pm
To be clear, I have no problem with a P5 conference champion having an auto bid,
garyfan
12/1/22 1:27pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:30pm
Sorry, but any assumption I make to draw that conclusion is no larger than
garyfan
12/1/22 1:33pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:41pm
Can you read? This is about a playoff. You don’t have to agree with my
garyfan
12/1/22 1:56pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:58pm
Good, you can read. Because that evidence ≠ proof is exactly what I've been
garyfan
12/1/22 4:18pm
They literally did get left out.
BYUCLA
12/1/22 1:10pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:16pm
They got left out of a 12-team playoff? Such a shame that I missed that.
garyfan
12/1/22 1:29pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:30pm
Yep. It’s harder to pull stunts when everyone is watching and everyone
garyfan
12/1/22 1:34pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:42pm
CC cared. The team that took their spot cared. That’s about it.
garyfan
12/1/22 1:57pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 2:00pm
You're overstating how much (and how many) people cared. And if the committee
garyfan
12/1/22 4:16pm
Terrible reference, 2020 was a complete anomaly
CallSign
12/1/22 1:45pm
Why not set up the rules to cover seasons that are anomalies? They will happen.
BYUCLA
12/1/22 1:56pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 2:00pm
Close but not quite. 8 teams, must include the top 5 Conference Champs. That
Scratch
12/1/22 11:49am
Good clarification. I agree.
garyfan
12/1/22 11:50am
Another possibility. Every conference champ in a certain range, say in the top
Scratch
12/1/22 12:56pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:58pm
That's why you have 5 automatically getting in. The committee couldn't prevent
Scratch
12/1/22 1:28pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:31pm
The boogeyman is hard to defeat.
garyfan
12/1/22 1:35pm
Top 16 ranking is good for me. While it is nice to squeeze in and be recognized
Acorn
12/1/22 11:45am
What happens when a new conference is created?
krindorr
12/1/22 11:46am
I would welcome that, and would happily support a 24-team playoff with more
shoganai
12/1/22 11:49am
But now you're giving byes again... and you're making the season even longer
krindorr
12/1/22 11:51am
Why wouldn't we want to the season to be longer?
shoganai
12/1/22 11:54am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:51am
12 teams is fine
canuckchuck
12/1/22 11:49am
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 11:59am
March Madness is cool for what it is but I haven’t watched a CBB game this year
canuckchuck
12/1/22 12:36pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:45pm
That’s my only complaint
canuckchuck
12/1/22 1:16pm
These philosophical arguments about “controlling your own destiny” are not
garyfan
12/1/22 11:54am
If you're willing to give them de facto autobids for going undefeated, why not
shoganai
12/1/22 11:56am
Winning a garbage conference isn’t worth automatically rewarding with a
garyfan
12/1/22 12:02pm
There is no good reason not to make the "real" conferences beat the "garbage"
shoganai
12/1/22 12:06pm
Those 2-loss MAC champions already settled, on the football field, that they
garyfan
12/1/22 12:10pm
There is no practical downside to letting the smaller conferences play those
shoganai
12/1/22 12:16pm
Practical reasons? LOL. I don’t even know what you’re talking about.
garyfan
12/1/22 12:34pm
In the vast majority of sports we follow in this country a team like Miss St.
shoganai
12/1/22 12:44pm
The vast majority of sports don’t have 100+ teams in the league, and the
garyfan
12/1/22 1:14pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:17pm
You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm confident it's a futile one in the long
shoganai
12/1/22 1:21pm
I won’t mind if they add more teams. My point is that doing so isn’t necessary
garyfan
12/1/22 1:31pm
It's literally not, IMO. But we've beaten this horse enough.
shoganai
12/1/22 1:37pm
It’s not “literally” anything. Your conclusion is fine (even if I disagree), but
garyfan
12/1/22 1:39pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:43pm
Even if I concede that point (which I am not), you’re arguing for the playoff to
garyfan
12/1/22 2:02pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 2:15pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:49pm
“It” hasn’t happened. Something else happened.
garyfan
12/1/22 1:36pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:47pm
“It’s almost exactly the same if you make my assumptions.” LOL. Good point.
garyfan
12/1/22 1:59pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 2:01pm
You: "The relevant facts are the ones that support my view. All other facts and
garyfan
12/1/22 4:19pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 4:22pm
Pathetic and funny. I'll try to remember you, as you miss out on
garyfan
12/1/22 4:28pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:22pm
Correct. It’s a red herring because those teams have already excluded themselves
garyfan
12/1/22 12:36pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:37pm
My position is that Cincy being excluded from a 4-team playoff is not
garyfan
12/1/22 12:41pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:47pm
As posted above, CC was #12 in the CFP. Tell me why that doesn’t shut down your
garyfan
12/1/22 12:54pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:57pm
I'll be honest, I've lost track of everything going back and forth, but are you saying
IdahoCoug
12/1/22 1:20pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:27pm
No guaranteed spots for P5 champs. It's the 6 highest ranked conf champs and the next 6 highest ranked at-large teams.
IdahoCoug
12/1/22 2:08pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 2:16pm
Your argument is so weak. It all hinges on CC as the one example in the last
garyfan
12/1/22 5:51pm
Haha. Owned. Right. You make the assumption that the powers will leave out a
garyfan
12/1/22 1:26pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 1:27pm
Clearly you care. I’ll give you that.
garyfan
12/1/22 1:37pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:00pm
My mind is made up precisely because of past experience. But keep on fighting
garyfan
12/1/22 12:04pm
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chilawcoug
12/1/22 12:22pm
RE: And keep your head in the sand!
garyfan
12/1/22 12:37pm
Here's the 12 team setup compared to your 16 team setup
krindorr
12/1/22 11:55am
Give me that 16-team setup all day, every day, every season.
shoganai
12/1/22 11:58am
Agreed. I am happy it is at least moving to 12, but 16 is better IMO.
Ode to Hoy
12/1/22 12:11pm
But Troy! You can’t exclude Troy!! Sure, they lost to App St., but they earned
garyfan
12/1/22 11:59am
No auto bids. Best 16 are in.
Turnpike Lane
12/1/22 12:00pm
That would have some interesting impacts this year in particular
krindorr
12/1/22 12:12pm
No champ games anymore so just start Round 1 this week and let’s go
Turnpike Lane
12/1/22 12:14pm
Slightly different with no conference championship games
krindorr
12/1/22 2:24pm
I will say this is much better than the oft-discussed idea of 12 teams, with 10 autobids
krindorr
12/1/22 12:00pm
Every conf champ should get in. A weak conf is not the same as a weak team.
ImuaKahuku
12/1/22 12:10pm
How many of those undefeated teams wouldn’t be top-12?
garyfan
12/1/22 12:13pm
Does it matter? How many would be top 4? Answer in today's probably none.
ImuaKahuku
12/2/22 9:43am
Given the realities of power conferences and media deals, I would be happy with
Doogal McCougar
12/1/22 12:20pm
I'd go 24 like the FCS
CameronG
12/1/22 12:27pm
Rose Bowl is a bad permanent venue; no thanks
ColoSpgs
12/1/22 1:04pm
You might be the first person I have ever heard say that
DazeofBlue
12/1/22 1:31pm
If every major conference doesn't get an auto-bid I will be very disappointed.
seacougar
12/1/22 1:18pm
Perfection would be 8 regional conferences, round robin, feeding 8-team playoff.
seacougar
12/1/22 1:22pm
I have thought about this often, in a slightly different way
gww687
12/1/22 3:38pm
My dream realignment
krindorr
12/1/22 3:45pm
Yep. 100% correct. It was an easy problem to solve. College football has made it
BlooCoog
12/1/22 1:37pm
8 teams max. Too many extra games. Football is
chazen
12/1/22 3:51pm
So HS kids can play 14 games but not college dudes who get paid for
Beggar
12/1/22 5:30pm
The two teams in the ncaa championship game in a 16 team playoff would
chazen
12/1/22 8:02pm
What’s the record for longest thread on CB?
ColonelMustard
12/1/22 8:46pm
I agree with Shoganai with one minor modification...
Jingleheimer
12/2/22 6:44am
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