And I’m asking you to provide an example in the last 30 years when that

why so much focus on bad conferences getting gift berths? maybe if they are unde

Hsaru

12/1/22 11:29am

They are only bad because they lack access, even the playing field and that will change

Remigius

12/1/22 11:31am

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. Gonzaga wouldn’t be gonzaga without (edited)

ColonelMustard

12/1/22 5:08pm

Because you don't have a true sporting competition as long as it's decided by a

shoganai

12/1/22 11:32am

Absolutely - this is the answer.

Eddie

12/1/22 1:29pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:35am

part of the magic of the NCAA tourney is the occasional cinderella team.

hxmCougar2000

12/1/22 11:53am

Because the bad conferences are bad because they have been artificially held dow

fattycoug

12/1/22 12:10pm

The national championship should be decided on the field.

Cougzilla

12/1/22 12:25pm

Such an odd argument for a BYU fan to make

MDub1

12/1/22 1:53pm

Because otherwise we're back to the lame committees

akbarishiwatsu

12/1/22 3:29pm

MWC, MAC, and Sun Belt champs shouldn't get an auto berth.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:32am

If we don't believe every team should control its own destiny, then it's time to

shoganai

12/1/22 11:33am

oooh scary. 9-3 Ohio Bobcats shouldn't get an auto bid sorry.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:39am

There is no legitimate sporting argument for denying them one.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:42am

Since sporting is an arbitrary and subjective term, you can be correct. Excluding 10-2 Penn State for 8-5 Toledo is

shimmy

12/1/22 11:46am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:47am

Keep making the basketball comparisons. It's a good look.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:50am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:52am

You're acting like the only difference between 350/68/32/36 and 120/16/10/6 is the sport they play

shimmy

12/1/22 12:02pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:20pm

College basketball and college football are not the same and it's a bad comp

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 12:06pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:20pm

What other college sport excludes conference champions from tournaments to crown a champion?

Remigius

12/1/22 12:32pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:43pm

There are some pretty big differences that you're overlooking

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 1:42pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:46pm

Exclusion is holding teams back? So, you're telling me that more recruits

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 2:52pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:58pm

Its holding back programs

Remigius

12/1/22 3:06pm

but there is no REAL P5 or G5. If you are going to separate the 2 and exclude

fattycoug

12/1/22 1:50pm

That's fine, I'm cool with that. But as it stands, G5 shouldn't get an autobid

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 2:53pm

If this was true, then Texas who gets many 4* and 5*'s every year

archie

12/1/22 2:23pm

"Play on the field should matter." That's my whole point

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 2:48pm

You are making a good argument for separate divisions and a bad one to exlude

Cougzilla

12/1/22 3:03pm

Penn State is free to apply to join the MAC at any time if they would prefer an

shoganai

12/1/22 11:48am

Well the good news is that your plan will never be considered so you'll have to console yourself with being sporting and

shimmy

12/1/22 11:49am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:50am

There is no way playoff expansion stops at 12 teams and six auto-bids.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:51am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:51am

May not stop at 12 and 6, but it's not going to 16 and 10.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:52am

Unless FBS breaks up (which it might at some point) it will probably land at 24.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:57am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:49am

Conferences could go back to 12 teams and be regional again. I’m for it.

GilbertAZCougar

12/1/22 4:53pm

Disagree. Make it like March madness. Would be awesome seeing potential

Chefcurry

12/1/22 11:34am

Have you ever watched college football before? This would not happen.

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 11:39am

Upsets would happen. Not often but they would. Good football teams still get

Chefcurry

12/1/22 12:05pm

Upsets would happen when you get an 11-0 Cincinnati team playing Notre Dame

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 1:44pm

UGA throttling Eastern Michican 67-0 isn't worth a 35-21 game every 20 years.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:40am

Sure only one 16 seed has ever beaten a number 1 seed in March madness but it

Chefcurry

12/1/22 12:07pm

I'm for more games and deserving g5 teams getting in, even getting an advantage, but you can't just say MAC Champ=auto

shimmy

12/1/22 12:09pm

They should play each other for one berth.

dYrtbYkerYder

12/1/22 11:35am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:36am

Just give them an autoberth... perhaps some elite teams will go to those confere

AFewThoughts

12/1/22 11:40am

Why not?

UberDeek

12/1/22 11:40am

Reason #1. We're P5 now so forget them kids.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:41am

Actually, a pretty compelling argument.

UberDeek

12/1/22 1:22pm

Because a 9-3 Utah State or 8-4 Northern Illinois doesn't deserve a bid

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 11:41am

What if Utah wins the Pac12 this year? They'll be 10-3, would you argue they

UberDeek

12/1/22 1:24pm

Yes, they should get in.

RealTaysomHill

12/1/22 2:59pm

Your argument is weak and you lost

UberDeek

12/2/22 8:49am

Then make a new division for then or give then access. The reason they aren't

fattycoug

12/1/22 12:12pm

Including them would actually help the parity in CFB

Cougs4Lfe

12/1/22 1:08pm

You sound like everyone we hated before the Big 12 invite.

TailgateU

12/1/22 8:17pm

Ohio State is welcome to move to the Sun Belt

YOHONOMOTO

12/1/22 9:05pm

At larges are subject to exactly what you wish to avoid.

DJROSS

12/1/22 11:33am

Not at all. Every team controls its own destiny at the start of the season.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:35am

It just provides Troy & Toledo an infinitely easier path than Alabama or BYU

BYU Fan

12/1/22 11:38am

I'm sure the Sun Belt conference would happily accept Alabama's application if

shoganai

12/1/22 11:41am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:45am

I used to agree, but

IdahoCoug

12/1/22 11:38am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:46am

How do you decide where the home game is played?

Tesla Coug

12/1/22 11:39am

Seed them either by vote or by computer rankings.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:46am

8 teams. All P5 conference champs plus 3 at-large, where at least one of those

garyfan

12/1/22 11:43am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:48am

If you insist that everyone is out to get you, then nothing will appease you.

garyfan

12/1/22 11:49am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:53am

Are you suggesting Cincy wouldn’t have made the new 12-team tournament or the

garyfan

12/1/22 11:55am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:56am

And I’m asking you to provide an example in the last 30 years when that

garyfan

12/1/22 12:00pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:02pm

RE: You can read what I wrote. The last 30 years aren’t good data because

garyfan

12/1/22 12:03pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:21pm

RE: Good comeback.

garyfan

12/1/22 12:27pm

You would have to guarantee any undefeated team is in for everyone to control

BYUCLA

12/1/22 11:49am

Find me the year when an undefeated team would have been excluded w/ this model.

garyfan

12/1/22 11:51am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:54am

Boogey man

garyfan

12/1/22 11:55am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:59am

We aren’t talking about a 4-team playoff. This is about an 8-team or 12-team

garyfan

12/1/22 12:01pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:02pm

In 2020 we literally had to schedule Coastal Carolina to avoid being left out

BYUCLA

12/1/22 12:17pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:21pm

BYU was #8 heading into the Coastal Carolina game, which we lost.

garyfan

12/1/22 12:26pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:36pm

So now your argument is that CC would have been left out of a 12-team playoff,

garyfan

12/1/22 12:39pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:44pm

I just searched for 2020 rankings (in general). But did you know that CC was #12

garyfan

12/1/22 12:51pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:57pm

To be clear, I have no problem with a P5 conference champion having an auto bid,

garyfan

12/1/22 1:27pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:30pm

Sorry, but any assumption I make to draw that conclusion is no larger than

garyfan

12/1/22 1:33pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:41pm

Can you read? This is about a playoff. You don’t have to agree with my

garyfan

12/1/22 1:56pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:58pm

Good, you can read. Because that evidence ≠ proof is exactly what I've been

garyfan

12/1/22 4:18pm

They literally did get left out.

BYUCLA

12/1/22 1:10pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:16pm

They got left out of a 12-team playoff? Such a shame that I missed that.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:29pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:30pm

Yep. It’s harder to pull stunts when everyone is watching and everyone

garyfan

12/1/22 1:34pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:42pm

CC cared. The team that took their spot cared. That’s about it.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:57pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:00pm

You're overstating how much (and how many) people cared. And if the committee

garyfan

12/1/22 4:16pm

Terrible reference, 2020 was a complete anomaly

CallSign

12/1/22 1:45pm

Why not set up the rules to cover seasons that are anomalies? They will happen.

BYUCLA

12/1/22 1:56pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:00pm

Close but not quite. 8 teams, must include the top 5 Conference Champs. That

Scratch

12/1/22 11:49am

Good clarification. I agree.

garyfan

12/1/22 11:50am

Another possibility. Every conference champ in a certain range, say in the top

Scratch

12/1/22 12:56pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:58pm

That's why you have 5 automatically getting in. The committee couldn't prevent

Scratch

12/1/22 1:28pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:31pm

The boogeyman is hard to defeat.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:35pm

Top 16 ranking is good for me. While it is nice to squeeze in and be recognized

Acorn

12/1/22 11:45am

What happens when a new conference is created?

krindorr

12/1/22 11:46am

I would welcome that, and would happily support a 24-team playoff with more

shoganai

12/1/22 11:49am

But now you're giving byes again... and you're making the season even longer

krindorr

12/1/22 11:51am

Why wouldn't we want to the season to be longer?

shoganai

12/1/22 11:54am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:51am

12 teams is fine

canuckchuck

12/1/22 11:49am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:59am

March Madness is cool for what it is but I haven’t watched a CBB game this year

canuckchuck

12/1/22 12:36pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:45pm

That’s my only complaint

canuckchuck

12/1/22 1:16pm

These philosophical arguments about “controlling your own destiny” are not

garyfan

12/1/22 11:54am

If you're willing to give them de facto autobids for going undefeated, why not

shoganai

12/1/22 11:56am

Winning a garbage conference isn’t worth automatically rewarding with a

garyfan

12/1/22 12:02pm

There is no good reason not to make the "real" conferences beat the "garbage"

shoganai

12/1/22 12:06pm

Those 2-loss MAC champions already settled, on the football field, that they

garyfan

12/1/22 12:10pm

There is no practical downside to letting the smaller conferences play those

shoganai

12/1/22 12:16pm

Practical reasons? LOL. I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

garyfan

12/1/22 12:34pm

In the vast majority of sports we follow in this country a team like Miss St.

shoganai

12/1/22 12:44pm

The vast majority of sports don’t have 100+ teams in the league, and the

garyfan

12/1/22 1:14pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:17pm

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm confident it's a futile one in the long

shoganai

12/1/22 1:21pm

I won’t mind if they add more teams. My point is that doing so isn’t necessary

garyfan

12/1/22 1:31pm

It's literally not, IMO. But we've beaten this horse enough.

shoganai

12/1/22 1:37pm

It’s not “literally” anything. Your conclusion is fine (even if I disagree), but

garyfan

12/1/22 1:39pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:43pm

Even if I concede that point (which I am not), you’re arguing for the playoff to

garyfan

12/1/22 2:02pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:15pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:49pm

“It” hasn’t happened. Something else happened.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:36pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:47pm

“It’s almost exactly the same if you make my assumptions.” LOL. Good point.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:59pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:01pm

You: "The relevant facts are the ones that support my view. All other facts and

garyfan

12/1/22 4:19pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 4:22pm

Pathetic and funny. I'll try to remember you, as you miss out on

garyfan

12/1/22 4:28pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:22pm

Correct. It’s a red herring because those teams have already excluded themselves

garyfan

12/1/22 12:36pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:37pm

My position is that Cincy being excluded from a 4-team playoff is not

garyfan

12/1/22 12:41pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:47pm

As posted above, CC was #12 in the CFP. Tell me why that doesn’t shut down your

garyfan

12/1/22 12:54pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:57pm

I'll be honest, I've lost track of everything going back and forth, but are you saying

IdahoCoug

12/1/22 1:20pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:27pm

No guaranteed spots for P5 champs. It's the 6 highest ranked conf champs and the next 6 highest ranked at-large teams.

IdahoCoug

12/1/22 2:08pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:16pm

Your argument is so weak. It all hinges on CC as the one example in the last

garyfan

12/1/22 5:51pm

Haha. Owned. Right. You make the assumption that the powers will leave out a

garyfan

12/1/22 1:26pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:27pm

Clearly you care. I’ll give you that.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:37pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:00pm

My mind is made up precisely because of past experience. But keep on fighting

garyfan

12/1/22 12:04pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:22pm

RE: And keep your head in the sand!

garyfan

12/1/22 12:37pm

Here's the 12 team setup compared to your 16 team setup

krindorr

12/1/22 11:55am

Give me that 16-team setup all day, every day, every season.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:58am

Agreed. I am happy it is at least moving to 12, but 16 is better IMO.

Ode to Hoy

12/1/22 12:11pm

But Troy! You can’t exclude Troy!! Sure, they lost to App St., but they earned

garyfan

12/1/22 11:59am

No auto bids. Best 16 are in.

Turnpike Lane

12/1/22 12:00pm

That would have some interesting impacts this year in particular

krindorr

12/1/22 12:12pm

No champ games anymore so just start Round 1 this week and let’s go

Turnpike Lane

12/1/22 12:14pm

Slightly different with no conference championship games

krindorr

12/1/22 2:24pm

I will say this is much better than the oft-discussed idea of 12 teams, with 10 autobids

krindorr

12/1/22 12:00pm

Every conf champ should get in. A weak conf is not the same as a weak team.

ImuaKahuku

12/1/22 12:10pm

How many of those undefeated teams wouldn’t be top-12?

garyfan

12/1/22 12:13pm

Does it matter? How many would be top 4? Answer in today's probably none.

ImuaKahuku

12/2/22 9:43am

Given the realities of power conferences and media deals, I would be happy with

Doogal McCougar

12/1/22 12:20pm

I'd go 24 like the FCS

CameronG

12/1/22 12:27pm

Rose Bowl is a bad permanent venue; no thanks

ColoSpgs

12/1/22 1:04pm

You might be the first person I have ever heard say that

DazeofBlue

12/1/22 1:31pm

If every major conference doesn't get an auto-bid I will be very disappointed.

seacougar

12/1/22 1:18pm

Perfection would be 8 regional conferences, round robin, feeding 8-team playoff.

seacougar

12/1/22 1:22pm

I have thought about this often, in a slightly different way

gww687

12/1/22 3:38pm

My dream realignment

krindorr

12/1/22 3:45pm

Yep. 100% correct. It was an easy problem to solve. College football has made it

BlooCoog

12/1/22 1:37pm

8 teams max. Too many extra games. Football is

chazen

12/1/22 3:51pm

So HS kids can play 14 games but not college dudes who get paid for

Beggar

12/1/22 5:30pm

The two teams in the ncaa championship game in a 16 team playoff would

chazen

12/1/22 8:02pm

What’s the record for longest thread on CB?

ColonelMustard

12/1/22 8:46pm

I agree with Shoganai with one minor modification...

Jingleheimer

12/2/22 6:44am

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