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Dec 1, 2022
12:32:43pm

Remigius All-American

What other college sport excludes conference champions from tournaments to crown a champion?

Seems like it is a fine comparison or a comparison with any other sport.

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Remigius

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The formula is so simple and obvious.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:29am

why so much focus on bad conferences getting gift berths? maybe if they are unde

Hsaru

12/1/22 11:29am

They are only bad because they lack access, even the playing field and that will change

Remigius

12/1/22 11:31am

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. Gonzaga wouldn’t be gonzaga without (edited)

12/1/22 5:08pm

Because you don't have a true sporting competition as long as it's decided by a

shoganai

12/1/22 11:32am

Absolutely - this is the answer.

Eddie

12/1/22 1:29pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:35am

part of the magic of the NCAA tourney is the occasional cinderella team.

12/1/22 11:53am

Because the bad conferences are bad because they have been artificially held dow

fattycoug

12/1/22 12:10pm

The national championship should be decided on the field.

Cougzilla

12/1/22 12:25pm

Such an odd argument for a BYU fan to make

MDub1

12/1/22 1:53pm

Because otherwise we're back to the lame committees

12/1/22 3:29pm

MWC, MAC, and Sun Belt champs shouldn't get an auto berth.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:32am

If we don't believe every team should control its own destiny, then it's time to

shoganai

12/1/22 11:33am

oooh scary. 9-3 Ohio Bobcats shouldn't get an auto bid sorry.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:39am

There is no legitimate sporting argument for denying them one.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:42am

Since sporting is an arbitrary and subjective term, you can be correct. Excluding 10-2 Penn State for 8-5 Toledo is

shimmy

12/1/22 11:46am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:47am

Keep making the basketball comparisons. It's a good look.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:50am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:52am

You're acting like the only difference between 350/68/32/36 and 120/16/10/6 is the sport they play

shimmy

12/1/22 12:02pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:20pm

College basketball and college football are not the same and it's a bad comp

12/1/22 12:06pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:20pm

What other college sport excludes conference champions from tournaments to crown a champion?

Remigius

12/1/22 12:32pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:43pm

There are some pretty big differences that you're overlooking

12/1/22 1:42pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:46pm

Exclusion is holding teams back? So, you're telling me that more recruits

12/1/22 2:52pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:58pm

Its holding back programs

Remigius

12/1/22 3:06pm

but there is no REAL P5 or G5. If you are going to separate the 2 and exclude

fattycoug

12/1/22 1:50pm

That's fine, I'm cool with that. But as it stands, G5 shouldn't get an autobid

12/1/22 2:53pm

If this was true, then Texas who gets many 4* and 5*'s every year

archie

12/1/22 2:23pm

"Play on the field should matter." That's my whole point

12/1/22 2:48pm

You are making a good argument for separate divisions and a bad one to exlude

Cougzilla

12/1/22 3:03pm

Penn State is free to apply to join the MAC at any time if they would prefer an

shoganai

12/1/22 11:48am

Well the good news is that your plan will never be considered so you'll have to console yourself with being sporting and

shimmy

12/1/22 11:49am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:50am

There is no way playoff expansion stops at 12 teams and six auto-bids.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:51am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:51am

May not stop at 12 and 6, but it's not going to 16 and 10.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:52am

Unless FBS breaks up (which it might at some point) it will probably land at 24.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:57am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:49am

Conferences could go back to 12 teams and be regional again. I’m for it.

GilbertAZCougar

12/1/22 4:53pm

Disagree. Make it like March madness. Would be awesome seeing potential

Chefcurry

12/1/22 11:34am

Have you ever watched college football before? This would not happen.

12/1/22 11:39am

Upsets would happen. Not often but they would. Good football teams still get

Chefcurry

12/1/22 12:05pm

Upsets would happen when you get an 11-0 Cincinnati team playing Notre Dame

12/1/22 1:44pm

UGA throttling Eastern Michican 67-0 isn't worth a 35-21 game every 20 years.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:40am

Sure only one 16 seed has ever beaten a number 1 seed in March madness but it

Chefcurry

12/1/22 12:07pm

I'm for more games and deserving g5 teams getting in, even getting an advantage, but you can't just say MAC Champ=auto

shimmy

12/1/22 12:09pm

They should play each other for one berth.

12/1/22 11:35am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:36am

Just give them an autoberth... perhaps some elite teams will go to those confere

AFewThoughts

12/1/22 11:40am

Why not?

UberDeek

12/1/22 11:40am

Reason #1. We're P5 now so forget them kids.

shimmy

12/1/22 11:41am

Actually, a pretty compelling argument.

UberDeek

12/1/22 1:22pm

Because a 9-3 Utah State or 8-4 Northern Illinois doesn't deserve a bid

12/1/22 11:41am

What if Utah wins the Pac12 this year? They'll be 10-3, would you argue they

UberDeek

12/1/22 1:24pm

Yes, they should get in.

12/1/22 2:59pm

Your argument is weak and you lost

UberDeek

12/2/22 8:49am

Then make a new division for then or give then access. The reason they aren't

fattycoug

12/1/22 12:12pm

Including them would actually help the parity in CFB

Cougs4Lfe

12/1/22 1:08pm

You sound like everyone we hated before the Big 12 invite.

TailgateU

12/1/22 8:17pm

Ohio State is welcome to move to the Sun Belt

YOHONOMOTO

12/1/22 9:05pm

At larges are subject to exactly what you wish to avoid.

DJROSS

12/1/22 11:33am

Not at all. Every team controls its own destiny at the start of the season.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:35am

It just provides Troy & Toledo an infinitely easier path than Alabama or BYU

BYU Fan

12/1/22 11:38am

I'm sure the Sun Belt conference would happily accept Alabama's application if

shoganai

12/1/22 11:41am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:45am

I used to agree, but

IdahoCoug

12/1/22 11:38am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:46am

How do you decide where the home game is played?

Tesla Coug

12/1/22 11:39am

Seed them either by vote or by computer rankings.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:46am

8 teams. All P5 conference champs plus 3 at-large, where at least one of those

garyfan

12/1/22 11:43am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:48am

If you insist that everyone is out to get you, then nothing will appease you.

garyfan

12/1/22 11:49am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:53am

Are you suggesting Cincy wouldn’t have made the new 12-team tournament or the

garyfan

12/1/22 11:55am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:56am

And I’m asking you to provide an example in the last 30 years when that

garyfan

12/1/22 12:00pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:02pm

RE: You can read what I wrote. The last 30 years aren’t good data because

garyfan

12/1/22 12:03pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:21pm

RE: Good comeback.

garyfan

12/1/22 12:27pm

You would have to guarantee any undefeated team is in for everyone to control

BYUCLA

12/1/22 11:49am

Find me the year when an undefeated team would have been excluded w/ this model.

garyfan

12/1/22 11:51am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:54am

Boogey man

garyfan

12/1/22 11:55am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:59am

We aren’t talking about a 4-team playoff. This is about an 8-team or 12-team

garyfan

12/1/22 12:01pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:02pm

In 2020 we literally had to schedule Coastal Carolina to avoid being left out

BYUCLA

12/1/22 12:17pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:21pm

BYU was #8 heading into the Coastal Carolina game, which we lost.

garyfan

12/1/22 12:26pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:36pm

So now your argument is that CC would have been left out of a 12-team playoff,

garyfan

12/1/22 12:39pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:44pm

I just searched for 2020 rankings (in general). But did you know that CC was #12

garyfan

12/1/22 12:51pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:57pm

To be clear, I have no problem with a P5 conference champion having an auto bid,

garyfan

12/1/22 1:27pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:30pm

Sorry, but any assumption I make to draw that conclusion is no larger than

garyfan

12/1/22 1:33pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:41pm

Can you read? This is about a playoff. You don’t have to agree with my

garyfan

12/1/22 1:56pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:58pm

Good, you can read. Because that evidence ≠ proof is exactly what I've been

garyfan

12/1/22 4:18pm

They literally did get left out.

BYUCLA

12/1/22 1:10pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:16pm

They got left out of a 12-team playoff? Such a shame that I missed that.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:29pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:30pm

Yep. It’s harder to pull stunts when everyone is watching and everyone

garyfan

12/1/22 1:34pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:42pm

CC cared. The team that took their spot cared. That’s about it.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:57pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:00pm

You're overstating how much (and how many) people cared. And if the committee

garyfan

12/1/22 4:16pm

Terrible reference, 2020 was a complete anomaly

CallSign

12/1/22 1:45pm

Why not set up the rules to cover seasons that are anomalies? They will happen.

BYUCLA

12/1/22 1:56pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:00pm

Close but not quite. 8 teams, must include the top 5 Conference Champs. That

Scratch

12/1/22 11:49am

Good clarification. I agree.

garyfan

12/1/22 11:50am

Another possibility. Every conference champ in a certain range, say in the top

Scratch

12/1/22 12:56pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:58pm

That's why you have 5 automatically getting in. The committee couldn't prevent

Scratch

12/1/22 1:28pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:31pm

The boogeyman is hard to defeat.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:35pm

Top 16 ranking is good for me. While it is nice to squeeze in and be recognized

Acorn

12/1/22 11:45am

What happens when a new conference is created?

krindorr

12/1/22 11:46am

I would welcome that, and would happily support a 24-team playoff with more

shoganai

12/1/22 11:49am

But now you're giving byes again... and you're making the season even longer

krindorr

12/1/22 11:51am

Why wouldn't we want to the season to be longer?

shoganai

12/1/22 11:54am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:51am

12 teams is fine

canuckchuck

12/1/22 11:49am

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 11:59am

March Madness is cool for what it is but I haven’t watched a CBB game this year

canuckchuck

12/1/22 12:36pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:45pm

That’s my only complaint

canuckchuck

12/1/22 1:16pm

These philosophical arguments about “controlling your own destiny” are not

garyfan

12/1/22 11:54am

If you're willing to give them de facto autobids for going undefeated, why not

shoganai

12/1/22 11:56am

Winning a garbage conference isn’t worth automatically rewarding with a

garyfan

12/1/22 12:02pm

There is no good reason not to make the "real" conferences beat the "garbage"

shoganai

12/1/22 12:06pm

Those 2-loss MAC champions already settled, on the football field, that they

garyfan

12/1/22 12:10pm

There is no practical downside to letting the smaller conferences play those

shoganai

12/1/22 12:16pm

Practical reasons? LOL. I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

garyfan

12/1/22 12:34pm

In the vast majority of sports we follow in this country a team like Miss St.

shoganai

12/1/22 12:44pm

The vast majority of sports don’t have 100+ teams in the league, and the

garyfan

12/1/22 1:14pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:17pm

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm confident it's a futile one in the long

shoganai

12/1/22 1:21pm

I won’t mind if they add more teams. My point is that doing so isn’t necessary

garyfan

12/1/22 1:31pm

It's literally not, IMO. But we've beaten this horse enough.

shoganai

12/1/22 1:37pm

It’s not “literally” anything. Your conclusion is fine (even if I disagree), but

garyfan

12/1/22 1:39pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:43pm

Even if I concede that point (which I am not), you’re arguing for the playoff to

garyfan

12/1/22 2:02pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:15pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:49pm

“It” hasn’t happened. Something else happened.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:36pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:47pm

“It’s almost exactly the same if you make my assumptions.” LOL. Good point.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:59pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:01pm

You: "The relevant facts are the ones that support my view. All other facts and

garyfan

12/1/22 4:19pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 4:22pm

Pathetic and funny. I'll try to remember you, as you miss out on

garyfan

12/1/22 4:28pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:22pm

Correct. It’s a red herring because those teams have already excluded themselves

garyfan

12/1/22 12:36pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:37pm

My position is that Cincy being excluded from a 4-team playoff is not

garyfan

12/1/22 12:41pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:47pm

As posted above, CC was #12 in the CFP. Tell me why that doesn’t shut down your

garyfan

12/1/22 12:54pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:57pm

I'll be honest, I've lost track of everything going back and forth, but are you saying

IdahoCoug

12/1/22 1:20pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:27pm

No guaranteed spots for P5 champs. It's the 6 highest ranked conf champs and the next 6 highest ranked at-large teams.

IdahoCoug

12/1/22 2:08pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 2:16pm

Your argument is so weak. It all hinges on CC as the one example in the last

garyfan

12/1/22 5:51pm

Haha. Owned. Right. You make the assumption that the powers will leave out a

garyfan

12/1/22 1:26pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 1:27pm

Clearly you care. I’ll give you that.

garyfan

12/1/22 1:37pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:00pm

My mind is made up precisely because of past experience. But keep on fighting

garyfan

12/1/22 12:04pm

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chilawcoug

12/1/22 12:22pm

RE: And keep your head in the sand!

garyfan

12/1/22 12:37pm

Here's the 12 team setup compared to your 16 team setup

krindorr

12/1/22 11:55am

Give me that 16-team setup all day, every day, every season.

shoganai

12/1/22 11:58am

Agreed. I am happy it is at least moving to 12, but 16 is better IMO.

Ode to Hoy

12/1/22 12:11pm

But Troy! You can’t exclude Troy!! Sure, they lost to App St., but they earned

garyfan

12/1/22 11:59am

No auto bids. Best 16 are in.

12/1/22 12:00pm

That would have some interesting impacts this year in particular

krindorr

12/1/22 12:12pm

No champ games anymore so just start Round 1 this week and let’s go

12/1/22 12:14pm

Slightly different with no conference championship games

krindorr

12/1/22 2:24pm

I will say this is much better than the oft-discussed idea of 12 teams, with 10 autobids

krindorr

12/1/22 12:00pm

Every conf champ should get in. A weak conf is not the same as a weak team.

ImuaKahuku

12/1/22 12:10pm

How many of those undefeated teams wouldn’t be top-12?

garyfan

12/1/22 12:13pm

Does it matter? How many would be top 4? Answer in today's probably none.

ImuaKahuku

12/2/22 9:43am

Given the realities of power conferences and media deals, I would be happy with

Doogal McCougar

12/1/22 12:20pm

I'd go 24 like the FCS

CameronG

12/1/22 12:27pm

Rose Bowl is a bad permanent venue; no thanks

ColoSpgs

12/1/22 1:04pm

You might be the first person I have ever heard say that

DazeofBlue

12/1/22 1:31pm

If every major conference doesn't get an auto-bid I will be very disappointed.

seacougar

12/1/22 1:18pm

Perfection would be 8 regional conferences, round robin, feeding 8-team playoff.

seacougar

12/1/22 1:22pm

I have thought about this often, in a slightly different way

gww687

12/1/22 3:38pm

My dream realignment

krindorr

12/1/22 3:45pm

Yep. 100% correct. It was an easy problem to solve. College football has made it

BlooCoog

12/1/22 1:37pm

8 teams max. Too many extra games. Football is

chazen

12/1/22 3:51pm

So HS kids can play 14 games but not college dudes who get paid for

Beggar

12/1/22 5:30pm

The two teams in the ncaa championship game in a 16 team playoff would

chazen

12/1/22 8:02pm

What’s the record for longest thread on CB?

12/1/22 8:46pm

I agree with Shoganai with one minor modification...

Jingleheimer

12/2/22 6:44am

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