Don’t confuse Tuiaki haters with stats or facts

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May 23, 2022
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Archaea

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CB seems to hate your D coordinator

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 8:29am

We are CB…we hate everything until it proves us wrong

silentvelcro

5/23/22 8:31am

Guilty until proven innocent.

jrifkin48

5/23/22 9:55am

79th in SP+ defense rankings. They were last in the nation in returning production in 2021

Indy Coug

5/23/22 8:31am

BYU’s offense was also bottom 10 in returning production from ‘20 to ‘21.

ldssdl

5/23/22 8:42am

Were you referring to the offense being last in the nation in returning production?

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 9:42am

The cool kids don't like Tuiaki because on Madden they blitzed and sacked

Blueto

5/23/22 8:36am

I hate it, but it does make sense

conetah

5/23/22 8:44am

But it doesn’t work. More and more each year

BYU '80

5/23/22 12:06pm

The thing I worry about this is that our Defense is on the field much more than

Julius Pepperwood

5/23/22 6:11pm

BYU was 6-1 vs P5 (beat UVA, lost to Baylor) and 5-0 vs PAC 12.

mulletino

5/23/22 8:36am

CB knows our D coordinator shut down the Ute offense and won the LOS

MajorZeus

5/23/22 8:37am

Wait, so when the defense stinks, it's on the players; but they're good, it's because of the coordinator?

2FarGone

5/23/22 8:49am

Yea we did but...that was the only game all year that Tuiaki altered his

84 natlchamps

5/24/22 5:49pm

My biggest frustration are the long drives we give up. Keeps our O off the field

jigidajrit

5/23/22 8:40am

BYU's defense was on the field for 880 plays, their offense for 868. That's a difference of 0.92 plays per game.

Indy Coug

5/23/22 8:43am

That proves his point; the defense is supposed to get off the field, the offense is supposed to stay on the field

2FarGone

5/23/22 8:50am

Sorry, but if BYU is playing close to the average number of plays on offense and defense

Indy Coug

5/23/22 8:54am

BYU opponents were the 102nd "fastest" in seconds per play last year.

Indy Coug

5/23/22 9:00am

You're exposing the weakness of statistics

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:00am

BYU won a national championship running only 2.5 more plays per game than their opponents

Indy Coug

5/23/22 9:03am

You're projecting.

Blueto

5/23/22 9:05am

You fell into my trap

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:09am

Explain how a team can get the ball many more times than their opponent

Blueto

5/23/22 9:18am

Ask Tuiaki: he's banking on interceptions

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:20am

An interception doesn't change the calculus of possessions. Their offense got a

Blueto

5/23/22 9:24am

This is correct. The scheme is philosophically disadvantageous. QBs that literally can't throw have career days running

shammy

5/23/22 10:12am

Don’t confuse Tuiaki haters with stats or facts

Archaea

5/23/22 9:13am

I don't think Tuiaki is without fault — I just find some of the specific criticisms not to be particularly good

Indy Coug

5/23/22 9:15am

Of course he has faults, but not as many as the haters claim.

Archaea

5/23/22 12:43pm

For the record, I don't hate him at all and really want him to succeed

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:18am

And I really, really want you apologists to be right and for me to be wrong

2FarGone

5/23/22 9:21am

I am not an apologist but a realist as to what's possible at BYU.

Archaea

5/23/22 12:44pm

We had one of the top offenses in the country and still were at a deficit. The defense is the reason.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 9:39am

BYU led the nation in total offense in 1984 and only ran 2.5 plays per game more than their opponents

Indy Coug

5/23/22 10:03am

You make it seem like we only care about how many plays we have on offense compared to the defense

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 10:17am

Clock rules are very different now compared to 1984. For beginners, when players went out of bounds in 1984

Indy Coug

5/23/22 10:23am

Then it might surprise you to learn that the number of football plays per game has increased in that time.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 10:29am

So. . . If we take more chances on defense

theonick

5/23/22 11:17am

I know this is difficult for some of you, but the best defenses always have the offense guessing

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 11:26am

Absolutely true. It's pathetic how obvious we are.

Goliath

5/23/22 11:38am

There's a difference between taking chances and playing solid base D.

shammy

5/23/22 11:27am

Uh ... you realize that we ranked 83rd in the nation in opponent drives that resulted in a TD right?

ManicBlue

5/23/22 2:56pm

Points per game isn't a great metric.

JuicyJam

5/23/22 8:41am

Yes it is—there are other important metrics as well but

kC Cougar

5/23/22 9:22am

Points per drive. Not points per game. Seems obvious.

kimdaddy35

5/23/22 9:44am

It should be, but people have their pet stats. Or they have “confirmation bias” stats that fit their desired conclusion.

mvtoro

5/23/22 10:36am

The scheme keeps our offense off the field and prevents our offense from putting opponents away

2FarGone

5/23/22 8:45am

I'm not really anti-Tuiaki, but the DC has to share blame for lack of depth

Coop

5/23/22 8:55am

I rarely felt confident that our D could get a stop when they absolutely had to. To be fair, the D did get necessary

thewaterboy

5/23/22 8:58am

The D gets the to use the injury excuse but the O doesn't for the end of year.

hydrocoug

5/23/22 8:59am

Valid point.

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 10:00am

I believe we had most the skill players, not sure about the Online.

hydrocoug

5/23/22 11:14am

Rush 3 drop 8 is not fun for fans to watch.

boctabulous

5/23/22 9:33am

Honest question, how often does he do this on pass plays.

Zoobieman

5/23/22 11:21am

BYU rushes 3 probably 80% of the time

I'mBatman

5/23/22 12:21pm

No they don't

Blueto

5/23/22 12:24pm

BYU's defense - 107th in Sack Rate and 109th in Stuff Rate. It'd better be with only

ManicBlue

5/23/22 4:25pm

To clarify, I was primarily referring to third downs with the 80%

I'mBatman

5/24/22 10:24pm

Can you post a link?

Zoobieman

5/23/22 4:22pm

Honest answer. Too often

boctabulous

5/23/22 4:16pm

Which is?

Zoobieman

5/23/22 4:21pm

Hold on, let me go back and watch every play from every game and count. Brb

boctabulous

5/24/22 9:45am

Only part of the story.

LifeLongLakerFan

5/23/22 9:44am

So, is the scheme Tuiaki's fault or Sitake's fault?

ImaFBfan

5/23/22 9:54am

I think both. Tuiaki continues to run it, and Sitake lets him.

LifeLongLakerFan

5/23/22 10:49am

Lol, this man trying to make it seem like beating up on a farmers league is

babycarrot

5/23/22 9:48am

yeah, but I think Jaren Hall is more valuable than many fans recognize

Belboz

5/23/22 10:01am

There are tons of legit criticisms. Points per drive is not good.

Goliath

5/23/22 10:18am

Rival fan comes on to critique the board criticism, it probably validates it

stansburycoug

5/23/22 11:58am

Depends. What is your stance on self asphyxiation? Because that is just

Alan Garner

5/23/22 12:36pm

A little explanation helps to clarify the value of those stats:

84 natlchamps

5/23/22 1:42pm

Every honest fan wants to see improvement from the D - be it scheme, blitzing,

OldFogey

5/23/22 3:01pm

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