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Feb 20, 2018
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spugeddy24
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Increased life expectancy plays a role.
Newborns can also live outside the womb a lot earlier now. Advances in technology have helped us save people who normally wouldn’t have lived, but it costs serious money.
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Why is healthcare so expensive?
SV Coug
2/20/18 9:07am
Too many people going to the ER for a stuffy nose, and old people hanging on
Mr. Scoobs
2/20/18 9:09am
Are the old people hanging on, or are family members telling the Docs to do
OneUpper
2/20/18 9:11am
both
johnnycarson
2/20/18 9:13am
Also, preexisting conditions, lawsuits, cost of schooling
byu1
2/20/18 9:13am
Old People hanging on really is a massive drain. When the 90 year old with heart failure, diabetes, and kidney failure
Slim
2/20/18 9:14am
Honestly death panels were the best part of Obamacare, and it's a shame they
jrob30
2/20/18 9:20am
We've spent some time in the hospital over the last month... staggering
kotacoug
2/20/18 10:05am
and for what purpose?, it's not like they are going to recover and hike timp
Mayor of Cougartown
2/20/18 12:03pm
25% of healthcare costs overall come in last few months of life-- Great Article
jkccoug
2/20/18 12:22pm
Was this not the case 15 years ago?
Twin Roots
2/20/18 9:23am
I wasn't paying attention 15 years ago but my suspicion is that the emphasis on "customer satisfaction" in medicine has
Slim
2/20/18 9:30am
Yes but 2 things:
Martin Van Nostrand
2/20/18 9:30am
One reason is political lobbies
boxydutch
2/20/18 9:13am
Medicare & Insurance disguising the true cost of care-
SouthernBlueBlood
2/20/18 9:13am
I'm not an expert, just involved as a physician, but here are a few things:
gaspasscoug
2/20/18 9:13am
Add in the need for posted prices so consumers actually know what they will have
TailgateU
2/20/18 9:22am
There are so many problems with this that people don't completely understand.
Idahofallsblue
2/20/18 9:28am
If you call your health care provider, can they give you the costs they
StarMan
2/20/18 9:30am
Yes and Yes
Idahofallsblue
2/20/18 10:09am
YES But you have to demand it!
CariocaCoug
2/21/18 2:29pm
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Idahofallsblue
2/21/18 2:33pm
So build in the risk premium and come up with a price. Not hard.
Iman23
2/20/18 9:36am
wrong it is hard
Idahofallsblue
2/20/18 10:06am
Not that hard. Lots of complex sitautions in the business world where price is
Baron
2/20/18 10:10am
So if you go to the mechanic he will do the same? Just average out the cost for
Idahofallsblue
2/20/18 10:14am
No. The Mechanic says waht the price of x is and fixes it. If he finds more, he
Baron
2/20/18 10:18am
It’s very hard for anything beyond simple office visits and procedures.
IGlowInTheDark
2/20/18 12:57pm
That still does not preclude posting a price for a procedure with no issues.
TailgateU
2/20/18 11:39am
Like I said. Those prices are available.
Idahofallsblue
2/20/18 12:21pm
Maybe I missed the price display.
TailgateU
2/20/18 1:20pm
Not exactly. Pricing depends on who you have for insurance. My hospital bill
jkccoug
2/21/18 6:43am
Actually there is one price.
Idahofallsblue
2/21/18 7:01am
Semantics.
jkccoug
2/21/18 2:58pm
There is one price for each thing done.
IGlowInTheDark
2/21/18 3:06pm
Not what I'm talking about or what was claimed.
jkccoug
2/21/18 3:17pm
What I claimed is correct and within the context of my post and actually agrees
Idahofallsblue
2/21/18 3:25pm
Which is semantics. It's the same thing as having lots of prices.
jkccoug
2/21/18 3:29pm
So you want single payer then? Or do you advocate that all insurance companies
Idahofallsblue
2/21/18 4:12pm
The cost is not related to the diagnosis, but the treatment. You said one didn't
TailgateU
2/21/18 4:32pm
only because you need to call two places
Idahofallsblue
2/21/18 4:36pm
I'm sure that getting through the phone trees at multiple large organizations
TailgateU
2/22/18 8:03am
That sounds great. Me too. Get 3rd party insurance out of medicine and that
Idahofallsblue
2/22/18 8:27am
In addition, you mention high admin costs, which are partially driven by
TailgateU
2/20/18 9:25am
This is so true.
slowhiteguy
2/20/18 10:54am
Some quick examples on ordering too many tests
WorfoSAUR
2/20/18 9:38am
I have given general anesthesia to literally hundreds of toddlers for MRIs
gaspasscoug
2/20/18 9:44am
But because it has become the community standard, even if it isn't good medicine, you can be sued for not doing those
Slim
2/20/18 9:55am
A lack of faith in an afterlife makes us hold on beyond our ability to feel joy.
cdr88
2/20/18 9:54am
Anesthesiologist I assume:-) I whole heartedly agree with your
BringYourUltimate
2/20/18 9:31pm
What many forget is the billions of wasted efficiency dollars due to HIPAA, all
jaba166
2/21/18 1:34am
As a beneficiary of State of the Art Premie care
CariocaCoug
2/21/18 2:51pm
Lifestyle choices, obseity, and a general disregard for health
a priori
2/20/18 9:16am
Is there a resource that catalogs total health care expenditures by category
barnacle
2/20/18 9:17am
We buy cars, groceries, and pretty much everything based on price - but not healthcare. We have no knowledge
Cougar-Duck
2/20/18 9:18am
You don’t know what a patient is going to need though...
IGlowInTheDark
2/20/18 1:06pm
Because we keep people alive way too long.
byubyu
2/20/18 9:18am
If you were legislating this, at what age would you kill someone off?
a priori
2/20/18 9:21am
I think any person with half a brain would make the decision on a combination of
OneUpper
2/20/18 9:27am
Really? What about those with a full brain?
a priori
2/20/18 9:29am
Same as half a brain, of course.
OneUpper
2/20/18 9:30am
Sounds too hard.
a priori
2/20/18 9:31am
30
HuskerFan2
2/20/18 9:31am
Letting someone die and killing someone off are 2 completely different things.
byubyu
2/20/18 9:33am
Sure, but I disagree with this whole premise.
a priori
2/20/18 9:35am
They are. But for some reason, when the time comes, a lot of families have trouble seeing the difference.
Slim
2/20/18 9:35am
Increased life expectancy plays a role.
spugeddy24
2/20/18 9:21am
technology, poor health, and greed
smokymountainrain
2/20/18 9:25am
Tommy Ahlquist, a doctor running for Gov here in Idaho, came and spoke to us
RC Vikings
2/20/18 9:33am
(not arguing, just making an observation)....and the introduction of government
StarMan
2/20/18 9:36am
In addition to the others mentioned in this thread, other countries leach off
Skeptical Optimist
2/20/18 9:39am
That includes new technology. While other countries are fine using older
Napoli
2/20/18 10:02am
Health insurance should be catastrophic coverage and not pay for every drug
Napoli
2/20/18 10:09am
Valeant was a good reason for the last decade.
IGlowInTheDark
2/20/18 12:52pm
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