I’m not comparing Bronco to LaVell. I never would.

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Feb 22, 2018
5:41:56pm

RalphWiggam All-American

I’m not comparing Bronco to LaVell. I never would.

I am merely stating that giving Crowton credit for what Bronco did isn’t fair nor is it acccurate. Bronco turned around a dumpster fire. This doesn’t detract from what LaVell did not does it mean Bronco is a better coach.

Just give credit where it is due. Bronco’s turnaround of the program was a small miracle.

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I think we will look back on the Bronco years as a great era of BYU football.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:04am

I'm just glad he left under contract instead of being fired. That would make me feel even worse about the crappy

shimmy

2/22/18 10:06am

He was told by Tom his contract would not be renewed.

coolblue

2/22/18 10:53am

Allegedly, a year before it expired. I'm wary of that report.

shimmy

2/22/18 10:57am

From a family member and one other source.

coolblue

2/22/18 10:59am

That’s usually how it’s done.

jrj84105

2/22/18 11:43am

The 06 - 11 stretch is only surpassed by 79 - 85 as the best in BYU history

Dynasty1

2/22/18 10:07am

RE: I think we will look back on the Bronco years as a great era of BYU football.

Indy Coug

2/22/18 10:10am

I was expecting this:

displacedute

2/22/18 10:17am

Or perhaps:

displacedute

2/22/18 10:18am

How does Cinderella rank on TNT's great 80's hairbands list?

claw

2/22/18 10:45am

06-09 Bronco was amazing. Wish we could have carried some of that momentum

2/22/18 10:12am

We were on the cusp if not for devastating injuries to QB. At least we still won

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:17am

Yup. A down Bronco win was 8 wins and a bowl game, flirting with the top 25

RalphWiggam

2/22/18 10:24am

It really is as simple as QB health

Y05

2/22/18 11:30am

I think we all realize that Bronco’s floor was significantly higher than

RalphWiggam

2/22/18 10:13am

Would've loved to see Bronco with a senior and healthy Taysom/Jamaal.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:21am

Would have been a special season

MaxxPower

2/22/18 11:04am

I look fondly upon the 06-09 years. But not the later years.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 10:22am

A few more 4-9 seasons and the tune will change. People already think 6-7 wins

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:25am

I'd be absolutely ecstatic to hit Bronco's floor next year. That's a tall order

Dynasty1

2/22/18 10:27am

Nothing risked, nothing gained. Fortune favors the bold. etc etc etc.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 10:35am

Bronco's winning % from 11-15 was essentially equal Lavell's career winning %.

displacedute

2/22/18 10:30am

Lavell's teams finished ranked 50% of the years he was coach. Let that sink in.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 10:37am

And Bronco was 5/11 or 45%, In a much harder era for BYU to compete.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:42am

hence the reason I said I looked fondly upon the 06-09 years.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 11:00am

So you look fondly at a 50% for Lavell, but only a 100% portion for Bronco?

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 11:03am

Nope. I don't.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 11:27am

LaVell's teams were ranked in 5 of his last 15 seasons (33%) Let that sink in

Indy Coug

2/22/18 10:46am

and Lavell retired. Let that sink in.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 10:58am

In the incredibly awful WAC...can't compare across that long of a timeline.

TheLoneCougar

2/22/18 12:09pm

I wasn't the one who started the comparison. I was just responding to it.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 1:11pm

Yes, yes you did.

TheLoneCougar

2/22/18 2:08pm

haha. Okay. Next time we need a ruling for what is "acceptable", I'll ask you.

Bostonblue

2/22/18 2:38pm

Thank you, my ego appreciates it.

TheLoneCougar

2/23/18 7:19am

LaVell had a higher ceiling than Bronco

donnerstag

2/22/18 1:44pm

Bronco took over a program on a three year skid and in two years

RalphWiggam

2/22/18 3:34pm

No. Look at the experienced talent already in place

donnerstag

2/22/18 5:30pm

Lavell took a program on a 50 year average of winning 3 games a year and

Bostonblue

2/22/18 5:32pm

I’m not comparing Bronco to LaVell. I never would.

RalphWiggam

2/22/18 5:41pm

It was 3.7 wins. Sheesh, get your facts straight. SMH.

Y05

2/23/18 12:21am

I agree. Bronco hit his peak from 06-09.

eddog

2/22/18 11:10am

really? You'd call it "special?" Like '96, '84', '83, '80 kind of special?

Bostonblue

2/22/18 11:30am

Compared to going 4-9, it would feel special.

eddog

2/22/18 11:35am

Bronco is on the hot seat at Virginia. If he doesn't win more, he might be out

Richbyu

2/22/18 10:32am

Are there articles from Virginia stating that sentiment?

Indy Coug

2/22/18 10:33am

LOL. Took a terrible team and brought them to a bowl game.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:37am

Bronco doesn't get to play teams with worse resources anymore.

Richbyu

2/22/18 10:41am

My point is this, if you think he sucks at Virginia, it doesn't matter to how

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:44am

I think Bronco is going to have to have to start competing in the ACC or his job

Richbyu

2/22/18 10:47am

I don't care about what happens at Virginia. I am a BYU fan and Bronco had a

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:56am

Bronco had easier MWC schedules and Indy schedules than we have now....

Richbyu

2/22/18 11:02am

Myth: KS has had harder schedules than Bronco. Here are the Sagarin SOS:

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 11:05am

Now look deeper, look at the teams we beat, and the teams we lost to each year

Richbyu

2/22/18 11:10am

Sorry just disputing your claim that somehow we had easier schedules with Bronco

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 11:19am

Lavell never did much more than that either. It’s hard to do

jkccoug

2/22/18 3:38pm

Even then Texas was not a great team.

Cougstreak

2/23/18 9:41am

Next stop for Bronco is NFL DC

keylimesoda

2/22/18 11:07am

Not even remotely a good point

shakarocks

2/22/18 10:50am

I think you missed the point:

Richbyu

2/22/18 10:59am

Everything you ascribe to Bronco you can easily ascribe to LaVell

shakarocks

2/22/18 11:02am

Last year was Virginia's best season that they've had in awhile despite the

Dynasty1

2/22/18 10:40am

Bronco is what, like 8 - 17 in two years? Mike London was 12 - 13 his first 2.

notsofast

2/22/18 2:54pm

London took over a team that had gone 17-20 in the three prior years.

displacedute

2/22/18 3:36pm

No he's not.

shakarocks

2/22/18 10:40am

I think most Virginia fans are optimistic with the progress he has made his 1st

Agaricus

2/22/18 10:41am

Really - not even in the top 30 according to this website. Unfortunately, our

crack

2/22/18 10:42am

I like rankings that read Sitake, then Harbaugh, then Orgeron. It's a good look.

2/22/18 12:02pm

Not true.

Cougstreak

2/22/18 10:42am

He'll probably get 3 more years.

displacedute

2/22/18 11:44am

Uhhh.....no. Definitely not on the hot seat from the AD or school.

TheLoneCougar

2/22/18 12:10pm

And yet he was a very good BYU coach

jkccoug

2/22/18 3:37pm

just 06-09. the rest was meh.

2/22/18 10:49am

How did you feel about LaVell's coaching years? And how does 4-9 feel?

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 10:55am

I’ll take “meh” over “ugh” which is what we have now.

canofpicante

2/22/18 11:21am

08 was OK. We didn't beat anyone good. Beat a winless UW team by 1.

notsofast

2/22/18 2:58pm

I think you are right.

coolblue

2/22/18 10:58am

AND IT WAS DONE IN A NON-POWER CONFERENCE.

canofpicante

2/22/18 11:20am

In the 80's, 90's, and 00's we produced NFL talent at a higher clip than half of

Dynasty1

2/22/18 11:23am

And then he bailed. After allowing the program, including recruiting start to tank.

byuTX

2/22/18 11:23am

Recruiting got substantially worse with KS who is labeled as a "great recruiter"

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 11:52am

I guess you are excluding transfers

slatecoug

2/22/18 11:53am

I agree it got even worse under Kilani, who isn't cut out for the job and whose teams struggled with BM recruits

byuTX

2/22/18 12:25pm

Uh, no. Bronco didn't seek leaving BYU, he was approached by UVA reps.

TheLoneCougar

2/22/18 12:15pm

Seems like your admiration for Bronco is distorting your perspective

Roko's Basilisk

2/22/18 11:55am

Lavell is a legend and always will be.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 1:53pm

True, but LaVell should have retired five years earlier.

Brisco

2/22/18 3:18pm

So Lavell should have retired after the 95 season?

eddog

2/22/18 3:36pm

And that time he walked in water...

Paul Hewson

2/22/18 11:59am

We spent very little time ranked after 2012.

D.T. Survivor

2/22/18 12:41pm

A little is a whole lot better than being ranked in the BOTTOM 10.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 1:33pm

I couldn't imagine a Bottom 10 ranking under Bronco.

D.T. Survivor

2/22/18 1:47pm

Why wouldn't we? They were great years.

andrewg3

2/22/18 1:07pm

In my opinion, Bronco took BYU as far as it will ever go again.

Traveshamockery

2/22/18 1:32pm

We were a Taysom 3-yard run vs U & a Hifo tipped pass against WV from winning 11

andrewg3

2/22/18 1:48pm

Of course we will have winning seasons again. That's not what I was talking

Traveshamockery

2/22/18 1:58pm

I didn't say that's what you were talking about. I'm saying we will have 11-win

andrewg3

2/23/18 8:50am

BYU peaked from 2006-09

donnerstag

2/22/18 1:39pm

How are you defining mediocre?

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 2:01pm

Several things

donnerstag

2/22/18 2:22pm

RE: Several things

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 2:45pm

RE: Several things

donnerstag

2/22/18 2:52pm

Everyone thinks of the coach of a certain era. I think of the players.

QBarrister

2/22/18 1:45pm

Program was a mess before Bronco and is a mess now with him gone.

Mr. Scoobs

2/22/18 2:15pm

I won’t. I witnessed the 80s

Croweater

2/22/18 2:09pm

Not me.

provokid

2/22/18 6:08pm

He's gone, get over it

Kerbouchard

2/22/18 7:35pm

RE: I think we will look back on the Bronco years as a great era of BYU

2/22/18 7:47pm

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