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SouthernBlueBlood
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If you paid teachers more would it be okay to fire them more easily?
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If you paid teachers more would it be okay to fire them more easily?
SouthernBlueBlood
All-American
4/26/18 3:14pm
it should be okay to do that now. It is insane that it is not.
CDV
4/26/18 3:17pm
Fire them based on what?
scootsy
4/26/18 3:18pm
Laziness, incompetence.
HighHorse
4/26/18 3:21pm
job performance, need, even personality conflict with principal. I have never agreed with the idea that a job is a
CDV
4/26/18 3:21pm
They can do that. Teachers are employed by the districts. Yes, you can't fire without just cause, but teachers get moved
scootsy
4/26/18 3:24pm
moved around school to school is not firing.
CDV
4/26/18 3:37pm
It's "letting them go", unless you're talking about personality conflict with district administration.
scootsy
4/26/18 3:39pm
Having a personality conflict with a principal doesn’t mean a teacher should be
Capricious Cougar
4/26/18 3:39pm
I am not saying they "should be fired", I am saying that there should be nothing preventing principals (or districts)
CDV
4/26/18 3:42pm
Then that principle should be fired. Organizations have been doing this forever, it's not that complicated.
jaromp
4/26/18 3:56pm
How mean they are.
Plato
4/26/18 3:21pm
Being bad at their jobs.
Duke Silver
4/26/18 3:23pm
I'm not necessarily against being able to fire teachers, but define "being bad at their job." What measure determines it
scootsy
4/26/18 3:25pm
Politics. Fire the lefties!
Sea Chicken
4/26/18 3:27pm
Poor student test scores. That could be determined by evenly
Duke Silver
4/26/18 3:33pm
that's tough, b/c then teachers just fight to teach the honors classes and nobody's willing to teach Remedial English.
byujag
4/26/18 3:38pm
That turns classrooms into competitive environments. Teachers no longer work cooperatively, sharing lesson plans and new
scootsy
4/26/18 3:42pm
Important points. I do think teachers who consistently help students perform
Capricious Cougar
4/26/18 3:47pm
Measuring performance and aligning incentives is difficult in any industry.
Mises
4/26/18 3:59pm
Not necessarily, you don’t have to have them competing against each other, but
Duke Silver
4/26/18 4:16pm
This is a poor argument. Measure scores going in and going out of a class.
jvquarterback
4/26/18 4:48pm
That would be interesting. But do we want all of the best teachers going to
Capricious Cougar
4/26/18 4:58pm
Do we want the best teacher's going to the students with the most involved
jvquarterback
4/26/18 5:15pm
I’m thinking on a broader level a system like this would attract more teachers
Capricious Cougar
4/26/18 5:34pm
Letting good teachers take lots of students (and paying for it) is the answer.
jvquarterback
4/26/18 5:50pm
Idk because at a point more students is going to make a teacher a lot less
Capricious Cougar
4/26/18 6:09pm
I don't know the limits to scaling instruction. It might be 30 students for a
jvquarterback
4/26/18 10:54pm
RE: I don't know the limits to scaling instruction. It might be 30 students for
Capricious Cougar
4/27/18 3:42pm
Parents can figure that out. That data is funded the government which benefits
jvquarterback
4/27/18 4:00pm
You seem to be looking at education through an industrial lens, which I don't
Capricious Cougar
4/27/18 4:22pm
I look at what is best for my children.
jvquarterback
4/27/18 4:58pm
How would you determine which teachers are good or terrible before your child is
Capricious Cougar
4/27/18 6:22pm
What portion of the poor test scores are the responsibility of the student and his/her parents?
scall
4/26/18 4:17pm
job performance, just like any other industry. If your supervisor thinks you're not doing a good enough job, you get
jaromp
4/26/18 3:54pm
Well we can’t have it both ways. We can’t pay them crap because of their great
Junior Deputy
4/26/18 4:11pm
That's his whole point.
jaromp
4/26/18 4:30pm
Ideally, you give that choice as a credible option to all teachers
Extra Biscuits
4/26/18 3:44pm
I would be willing to bet most would keep it the sane if they had those two choices. Most people would
SouthernBlueBlood
4/26/18 4:36pm
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