You seem to be looking at education through an industrial lens, which I don't

Apr 27, 2018
4:22:10pm

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think is really appropriate. Educating children is a human endeavor; it requires the care and art of a craftsman, not just the blunt force of a machine or a computer.

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Capricious Cougar

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If you paid teachers more would it be okay to fire them more easily?

SouthernBlueBlood All-American

4/26/18 3:14pm

it should be okay to do that now. It is insane that it is not.

CDV

4/26/18 3:17pm

Fire them based on what?

scootsy

4/26/18 3:18pm

Laziness, incompetence.

HighHorse

4/26/18 3:21pm

job performance, need, even personality conflict with principal. I have never agreed with the idea that a job is a

CDV

4/26/18 3:21pm

They can do that. Teachers are employed by the districts. Yes, you can't fire without just cause, but teachers get moved

scootsy

4/26/18 3:24pm

moved around school to school is not firing.

CDV

4/26/18 3:37pm

It's "letting them go", unless you're talking about personality conflict with district administration.

scootsy

4/26/18 3:39pm

Having a personality conflict with a principal doesn’t mean a teacher should be

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 3:39pm

I am not saying they "should be fired", I am saying that there should be nothing preventing principals (or districts)

CDV

4/26/18 3:42pm

Then that principle should be fired. Organizations have been doing this forever, it's not that complicated.

jaromp

4/26/18 3:56pm

How mean they are.

Plato

4/26/18 3:21pm

Being bad at their jobs.

Duke Silver

4/26/18 3:23pm

I'm not necessarily against being able to fire teachers, but define "being bad at their job." What measure determines it

scootsy

4/26/18 3:25pm

Politics. Fire the lefties!

Sea Chicken

4/26/18 3:27pm

Poor student test scores. That could be determined by evenly

Duke Silver

4/26/18 3:33pm

that's tough, b/c then teachers just fight to teach the honors classes and nobody's willing to teach Remedial English.

byujag

4/26/18 3:38pm

That turns classrooms into competitive environments. Teachers no longer work cooperatively, sharing lesson plans and new

scootsy

4/26/18 3:42pm

Important points. I do think teachers who consistently help students perform

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 3:47pm

Measuring performance and aligning incentives is difficult in any industry.

Mises

4/26/18 3:59pm

Not necessarily, you don’t have to have them competing against each other, but

Duke Silver

4/26/18 4:16pm

This is a poor argument. Measure scores going in and going out of a class.

jvquarterback

4/26/18 4:48pm

That would be interesting. But do we want all of the best teachers going to

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 4:58pm

Do we want the best teacher's going to the students with the most involved

jvquarterback

4/26/18 5:15pm

I’m thinking on a broader level a system like this would attract more teachers

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 5:34pm

Letting good teachers take lots of students (and paying for it) is the answer.

jvquarterback

4/26/18 5:50pm

Idk because at a point more students is going to make a teacher a lot less

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 6:09pm

I don't know the limits to scaling instruction. It might be 30 students for a

jvquarterback

4/26/18 10:54pm

RE: I don't know the limits to scaling instruction. It might be 30 students for

Capricious Cougar

4/27/18 3:42pm

Parents can figure that out. That data is funded the government which benefits

jvquarterback

4/27/18 4:00pm

You seem to be looking at education through an industrial lens, which I don't

Capricious Cougar

4/27/18 4:22pm

I look at what is best for my children.

jvquarterback

4/27/18 4:58pm

How would you determine which teachers are good or terrible before your child is

Capricious Cougar

4/27/18 6:22pm

What portion of the poor test scores are the responsibility of the student and his/her parents?

scall

4/26/18 4:17pm

job performance, just like any other industry. If your supervisor thinks you're not doing a good enough job, you get

jaromp

4/26/18 3:54pm

Well we can’t have it both ways. We can’t pay them crap because of their great

Junior Deputy

4/26/18 4:11pm

That's his whole point.

jaromp

4/26/18 4:30pm

Ideally, you give that choice as a credible option to all teachers

Extra Biscuits

4/26/18 3:44pm

I would be willing to bet most would keep it the sane if they had those two choices. Most people would

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