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Feb 14, 2019
10:47:39am

morris_center Walk-on

Would you believe me if I told you that

new research suggests that vaccinating every child for the chicken pox is actually increasing the number of occurences of herpes zoster infection (shingles)?

Integrating between-host transmission and within-host immunity to analyze the impact of varicella vaccination on zoster

An individual-based model estimates exogenous boosting of immunity following re-exposure to chickenpox is limited to 2 years after re-exposure, but an increase in herpes zoster incidence is still expected to occur following universal varicella vaccination.

https://elifesciences.org/articles/07116

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morris_center

Previous username: vontelo
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Joined: Jul 10, 2018
Last login: Jun 29, 2019
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Time

I'm not anti-vaxx, but when you look at the risks that arise from vaccinations

Byron McNertney

2/14/19 8:00am

that one dude that lied and said vaccines can cause autism is a real turd

Mayor of Cougartown

2/14/19 8:03am

And yet, he is practically worshipped by the anti-vaccine movement. SMH.

Delicate Genius

2/14/19 8:20am

Even though he has been proven wrong time and time again

Crazy Duck

2/14/19 8:31am

and also he said he was wrong.

Mayor of Cougartown

2/14/19 8:40am

but but but my best friend's cousin's sister-in-law had a baby that got

Crazy Duck

2/14/19 8:44am

Nice appeal to emotion.

morris_center

2/14/19 9:04am

<< Deleted >>

MMCougIII

2/14/19 10:19am

There’s mortality and there’s morbidity. Both are bad.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/14/19 10:42am

Yes, measles is deadly. See link from CDC

Archaea

2/15/19 7:05pm

As is varicela. Link

Archaea

2/15/19 7:06pm

Wakefield should rot in Hades.

Archaea

2/15/19 7:02pm

I'm not anti-vax but

spinner

2/14/19 8:04am

Would you have the same position if the topic were Global Climate Change? Asking for a friend.

John Doe

2/14/19 8:31am

See the issue when you try to change the topic like this

spinner

2/14/19 8:34am

I'll just put you down as 'no' then. Interesting that you blindly trust science in one area but not another.

John Doe

2/14/19 9:03am

I was actually just trying to not completely derail the thread

spinner

2/14/19 9:09am

‘Blindly’. LOL

CDV

2/14/19 1:40pm

I know. It's laughable that they do that unquestioningly and then defend it to the end.

John Doe

2/14/19 3:31pm

Yes because the science on a global and mountainous scale is behind AGW.

2/14/19 9:10am

No. To lump all scientific skepticism in the same boat is off base.

Orem58thBall

2/14/19 3:34pm

Ya, I'm not convinced you understand how the climate models work.

joelvandyne

2/14/19 3:41pm

RE: No. To lump all scientific skepticism in the same boat is off base.

2/15/19 8:34am

As a scientist who actually makes models of the earth for a living

BigEasyCougar

2/14/19 3:42pm

Then I invite you to jump into the previous discussion I linked above.

2/15/19 8:35am

Yeah, but tell that to the parents of a child who was vaccinated

Belboz

2/14/19 8:23am

I'm intrigued. Link?

John Doe

2/14/19 8:32am

a link to what?

Belboz

2/14/19 8:33am

Never mind, bricej13 got your back.

John Doe

2/14/19 9:05am

RE: I'm intrigued. Link?

bricej13

2/14/19 8:35am

Never forget. 🙁

2/14/19 8:40am

I'm not anti-vax but

2/14/19 8:25am

You're a rabid anti-anti-vaxxite!

Tim

2/14/19 8:28am

Guilty as charged.

2/14/19 8:39am

Your clickbait technique is strong, and I agree 100%

2/14/19 8:29am

Bingo. I suspect there are a number of kids--statistically significant number--

TheDash

2/14/19 8:32am

Here's the problem with that argument...

StantonMac

2/14/19 9:01am

We already have that play out. There are some kids who legitimately can't get

Scratch

2/14/19 10:28am

That's true, but I assume that isn't who TheDash was talking about.

StantonMac

2/14/19 11:41am

This is a super weird post. You drop a "Bingo." And follow it up with a,

Dwight Schr-UTE

2/14/19 9:02am

"Statistically significant" does not mean 1 in 1 million.

TheWanderer

2/14/19 10:35am

RE: Bingo. I suspect there are a number of kids--statistically significant

rmreitz

2/14/19 2:02pm

The part about statistically significant and spacing out vaccines was garbage. Absolutely not well put.

TCuz

2/14/19 3:17pm

Allergy rates from WHO. You do NOT need to be spaced out. That is not true.

Archaea

2/15/19 7:09pm

How many other issues have gone off the rails in society with similar very rare exceptions? Hint: Many!

soupie

2/14/19 8:42am

My sister’s boy is severely autistic and is convinced it is linked to vaxx

Croweater

2/14/19 8:46am

Sometimes people just need something to blame.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/14/19 10:58am

Even vaccines are linked to autism the math still says to do it.

mudpupper

2/14/19 8:57am

Science hasn't even proven the earth is round yet

CougarHut

2/14/19 9:04am

Why do people keep claiming the earth is round? It isn't.

fbguru

2/14/19 9:17am

People just don’t care to know

youngbuck

2/14/19 9:40am

RE: People just don’t care to know

2/14/19 9:46am

Please explain why you think the HPV vaccine is bad.

TCuz

2/14/19 9:48am

garbasail I would never ...

youngbuck

2/14/19 1:36pm

RE: Please explain why you think the HPV vaccine is bad.

youngbuck

2/14/19 2:02pm

Link utah tren Colton Berrett death after hpv

2/14/19 2:18pm

The CDC and public health experts and doctors know

Sumguy

2/14/19 9:56am

You realize that's like saying, "Parachutes sometimes don't open so I'm going

Byron McNertney

2/14/19 9:58am

So much bad reasoning in here

spinner

2/14/19 10:05am

How do you feel about the chicken pox, because in my mind

morris_center

2/14/19 10:11am

How do you feel about shingles?

2/14/19 10:13am

^^^this^^^

spinner

2/14/19 10:17am

seems like a red herring to me

morris_center

2/14/19 10:21am

Shingles and ChickenPox are caused by the same varicella-zoster virus

2/14/19 10:36am

Would you believe me if I told you that

morris_center

2/14/19 10:47am

That's an interesting study but contradicts the stats:

2/14/19 10:54am

Note that this is a simulated model study, not a clinical trial/observed study.

TheWanderer

2/14/19 11:18am

Read up on chicken pox. It can cause some nasty long lasting issues.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/14/19 12:19pm

The other thing that goes along with this is even if you are a crazy anti-vaxxer

Scratch

2/14/19 10:39am

"herd immunity: for others to establish, for me to enjoy!"

spinner

2/14/19 11:15am

I would have gone with “exploit,” but yep.

Scratch

2/14/19 11:44am

That’s some pretty strong rhetoric which leaves people one option.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/14/19 12:25pm

Fine, but you're not tuning me out, you're tuning out settled science, basic

Scratch

2/14/19 12:28pm

I’m not Disagreeing with science. I’m disagreeing with your method of response.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/14/19 6:26pm

I'm guessing if it was your kid you may feel differently .. maybe not

youngbuck

2/14/19 2:36pm

There's a lot in there. If a vaccine did cause actual issues (so we're not

Scratch

2/14/19 3:04pm

So it’s okay for your friend but not for others? Really?

StalwartBraveTrue

2/15/19 8:29am

No, it’s not ok, but I’m much more sympathetic and can understand someone in

Scratch

2/15/19 9:02am

Sounds fair. Parenting is mostly irrational and illogical though.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/15/19 9:09am

See there you.go you just cant help yourself.."imagined risks" just stop

2/14/19 3:26pm

I’m not. I’m clearly differentiating.

Scratch

2/14/19 3:35pm

Okay..so devils advocate still..what are the risks of your child contracting

2/14/19 3:40pm

I agree..however we also shouldnt judge someone who doesnt vax if they have a

2/14/19 12:53pm

Sigh. No one, NO ONE, is saying that individuals with an increased risk to

Scratch

2/14/19 1:06pm

Unfortunately that hasnt been the case people are piling on people who report

2/14/19 1:16pm

You just did a 180. In your post above (12:53 MST time stamp) you said

Scratch

2/14/19 1:30pm

And that’s where a lot of parents get anxiety about vaxxing.

StalwartBraveTrue

2/15/19 8:41am

There are medically valid reasons that specific individuals can't be vaccinated

DapperDan

2/14/19 1:07pm

I wholeheartedly agree.

2/14/19 1:16pm

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