It's both

Apr 19, 2019
11:59:50am

shakarocks All-American

It's both

I've met many BYU grads that were awesome in every way yet there are plenty of others than can really crack those books but suck hard when it comes to fitting into the real world of the workforce.

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shakarocks

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Laughing hard at you eggheads who think

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:37am

Who thinks that?

Baron

4/19/19 11:37am

scroll down

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:38am

Gotcha. I agree that is a dumb opinion.

Baron

4/19/19 11:42am

I don’t see what’s so dumb?

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 12:47pm

Because it is not an issue.

Baron

4/19/19 12:50pm

Care to elaborate?

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 12:54pm

Because it isn't. Name a graduate program suffering because of it. Name the

Baron

4/19/19 12:55pm

Name one program? Sure. BYU MA/comms.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 1:09pm

I'll name another ... Business. Many of them are so full that our grad students

runnincoug

4/19/19 1:12pm

Im surprised how few are familliar with grad school & academia as a whole

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 1:31pm

You know why? Because have had jobs that are a lot harder and more work than academia.

Baron

4/19/19 1:37pm

It’s true. There are a lot of masters programs that are a complete joke.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 1:44pm

You know why it isn’t that hard compared to some jobs? You have so little at stake.

Baron

4/19/19 1:50pm

And there’s the problem. Ignorance. Assuming that graduate research is a fun

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 2:06pm

And you right now if you screw up no big deal. Look I have had more exposure to both world than you know.

Baron

4/19/19 2:24pm

Then you should know both worlds are comparable and deserve respect

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 2:54pm

You had a “thumbs up” until your last paragraph. That is not a “Mormon” issue.

Lolo

4/20/19 9:19am

Yes. All research is created equal. Which is why your point is moot.

CarolinaCoug

4/20/19 10:29am

Well,

OBXCougar

4/19/19 7:52pm

Go on....

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 8:06pm

Prematurely hit “POST”....but what would you expect from someone working in

OBXCougar

4/19/19 8:34pm

I get it.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:16pm

Yes. I usually try to stay out of these nonsensical debates with folks

OBXCougar

4/19/19 11:09pm

Well, maybe you don’t know enough about academia to say that. Have you WORKED

OBXCougar

4/19/19 8:06pm

::multiples of claps::

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 8:07pm

Are you talking student or professor? Also, still very little at stake.

Baron

4/19/19 9:11pm

Ph.D. students play the role of professors in most programs

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:15pm

It is not disparaging. You are a student. Once you leave and work for awhile get back to me.

Baron

4/19/19 9:21pm

I have over 10 years of professional work experience.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:28pm

That's not surprising. I'm sure it is for you. I'm sorry that I didn't realize how hard it is for you.

Baron

4/19/19 9:41pm

This wasn't a competition over who can be more smug and arrogant

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:53pm

Many students have done that and told me grad school was harder and they are

runnincoug

4/20/19 1:05am

You have no idea what you are talking about. I’m confident more than ever that

OBXCougar

4/19/19 10:55pm

Interesting answer.

RealityCheck

4/20/19 8:16am

As you say dont generalize the entire profession and we should also not

pappabear246

4/20/19 10:03am

You are exactly right, we have a former BYU OLman in our PhD program. Sharp guy!

OBXCougar

4/20/19 12:23pm

not to mention former player steve young and I bet Andrew Rich

pappabear246

4/20/19 1:12pm

I’ve been in both worlds. Both are hard. Trying to say who has it hardest is

SWP

4/20/19 1:29pm

I agree 100%. Too many variables. I just get tired of people

OBXCougar

4/20/19 1:53pm

These students are not applying for PhD degrees, they are focusing on Masters

pappabear246

4/20/19 9:33am

Every school is full in business programs. It’s an overpopulated program.

BYUMissouriCoug

4/19/19 4:47pm

So.? When they play d1 football and doni5..then they can talk.

CarolinaCoug

4/20/19 10:27am

It is not like BYU will be getting hundreds of grad transfers

pappabear246

4/20/19 8:26am

BYU will make far more money off of him than he does from a scholarship or

BDAWG

4/19/19 4:23pm

Perhaps. But this is a new avenue and setting precedent is important.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:27pm

Soo many types of grad programs. Stop. We arent talking physics phd

CarolinaCoug

4/20/19 10:22am

RE: Who thinks that?

chilango

4/19/19 11:38am

What we would do w/o these Intellectual Saviors of the Masses?

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 11:38am

It's amazing they can be so book smart yet so dumb.

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:38am

It's more arrogant snobbery than stupidity. Maybe it's both.

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 11:48am

It's both

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:59am

Cue the requisite Pharisee comment.

CougarThug

4/19/19 12:04pm

Bronco is at Virginia now. He was good at that.

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 12:11pm

Too bad winning went with him.

coolblue

4/19/19 1:00pm

Wait, what? People are worried about this?

LiveCoug

4/19/19 11:38am

I think the bigger issue here

cougarmanguy

4/19/19 11:39am

Yep. You're all going to look like idiots when Ty'Son gets in. Of course, then

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:41am

Athletes get exceptions

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:43am

For grad programs?

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:08pm

For everything

shakarocks

4/19/19 12:41pm

BYU has tightened their standards since then. Makes it harder on athletics, but

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:44pm

As Hugh Nibley said

jkccoug

4/19/19 2:29pm

It's not about wrecking prestige. It's about being a drain on limited resources.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:39am

Oh whatever

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:40am

Yeah, just wave that magic wand and hire a babysitter for every grad

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:43am

So all athletes who have attained a bachelors degree

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:44am

That's clearly what I said. We're talking about hypotheticals here. If there's

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:50am

There are plenty who are admitted that can't hack it either

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:58am

Yes. We should be admitting less of them, not more of them.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:01pm

A couple of points:

moabmax

4/19/19 1:14pm

I'm not the one insinuating he needs special help to get in. I think he'll get

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 4:16pm

I like it.

Baron

4/19/19 11:44am

Yeah as a faculty member...a great grad student is heaven. A needy one really

runnincoug

4/19/19 11:44am

Boy, you are really on a troll aren't you.

PJMort

4/19/19 11:45am

In a lot of these grad programs

donnerstag

4/19/19 11:53am

Who's going to do his research for him? Who's going to do his TA-ing for him?

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:55am

A lot of grad programs require none of that

donnerstag

4/19/19 11:58am

If so, then Ty'Son should have an easier time getting into the ones he wants.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:03pm

The Football program provides tutors for all players.

LCcoug

4/19/19 1:06pm

^^completely misunderstands graduate school. It's not like undergrad at all

runnincoug

4/19/19 12:15pm

I have 2 advanced degrees

donnerstag

4/19/19 12:19pm

Where were your degrees at? It does depend on the program.

runnincoug

4/19/19 12:33pm

Mine were from out-of-state private universities

donnerstag

4/19/19 12:42pm

Outside of business, medical, and law school, grad programs are much more

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:52pm

Not true. Most masters programs are not about research.

Baron

4/19/19 12:54pm

Most academic-type masters programs involve writing a thesis, AFAIK.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:55pm

And? It is a paper.

Baron

4/19/19 1:41pm

ha! Now we know you're trolling!

runnincoug

4/19/19 1:51pm

Yep. A paper scares students away so no need to worry about transfers.

Baron

4/19/19 2:35pm

Your arrogance in this matter is amazing. It really is.

ReggaeCoug

4/19/19 2:18pm

As is your ignorance...

SWP

4/21/19 8:49am

Remember the last time you messed with us?

PJMort

4/19/19 11:43am

Ogre eventually caved

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:45am

Since when did BYU had a prestigious grad program in anything but accounting?

BeefNoodleSoup

4/19/19 1:16pm

IPT is #5 in the country, Law/Business are top 40, Local gov is 16, Pub Manage

runnincoug

4/19/19 1:24pm

Those are mostly professional programs no one cares about.

BeefNoodleSoup

4/19/19 1:29pm

Wow, the hate floweth strong on CB today! 😉

runnincoug

4/19/19 3:02pm

I hope you don't trip too hard as you're backpedaling there.

YSMACK

4/19/19 4:33pm

BYU has some good programs.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:38pm

Plenty of good grad school programs. Affordable too. I know for at least the law

here's to hoping

4/19/19 9:08pm

LOL, BYU grad programs suck for the most part.

Bluedomination

4/19/19 7:44pm

How dare you! BYU is only for the best and brightest.

Diablo and Doc

4/20/19 8:28am

It’s not the end of the world

bigjohn

4/20/19 8:56am

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