As Hugh Nibley said

Apr 19, 2019
2:29:26pm

jkccoug All-American

As Hugh Nibley said

"I am not permitted to discuss botany with anybody, at any time or place; it is not the jealousy of a reactionary society or the dictates of a narrow church that cramp my style—I just don’t happen to know anything about botany."

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Laughing hard at you eggheads who think

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:37am

Who thinks that?

Baron

4/19/19 11:37am

scroll down

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:38am

Gotcha. I agree that is a dumb opinion.

Baron

4/19/19 11:42am

I don’t see what’s so dumb?

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 12:47pm

Because it is not an issue.

Baron

4/19/19 12:50pm

Care to elaborate?

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 12:54pm

Because it isn't. Name a graduate program suffering because of it. Name the

Baron

4/19/19 12:55pm

Name one program? Sure. BYU MA/comms.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 1:09pm

I'll name another ... Business. Many of them are so full that our grad students

runnincoug

4/19/19 1:12pm

Im surprised how few are familliar with grad school & academia as a whole

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 1:31pm

You know why? Because have had jobs that are a lot harder and more work than academia.

Baron

4/19/19 1:37pm

It’s true. There are a lot of masters programs that are a complete joke.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 1:44pm

You know why it isn’t that hard compared to some jobs? You have so little at stake.

Baron

4/19/19 1:50pm

And there’s the problem. Ignorance. Assuming that graduate research is a fun

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 2:06pm

And you right now if you screw up no big deal. Look I have had more exposure to both world than you know.

Baron

4/19/19 2:24pm

Then you should know both worlds are comparable and deserve respect

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 2:54pm

You had a “thumbs up” until your last paragraph. That is not a “Mormon” issue.

Lolo

4/20/19 9:19am

Yes. All research is created equal. Which is why your point is moot.

CarolinaCoug

4/20/19 10:29am

Well,

OBXCougar

4/19/19 7:52pm

Go on....

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 8:06pm

Prematurely hit “POST”....but what would you expect from someone working in

OBXCougar

4/19/19 8:34pm

I get it.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:16pm

Yes. I usually try to stay out of these nonsensical debates with folks

OBXCougar

4/19/19 11:09pm

Well, maybe you don’t know enough about academia to say that. Have you WORKED

OBXCougar

4/19/19 8:06pm

::multiples of claps::

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 8:07pm

Are you talking student or professor? Also, still very little at stake.

Baron

4/19/19 9:11pm

Ph.D. students play the role of professors in most programs

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:15pm

It is not disparaging. You are a student. Once you leave and work for awhile get back to me.

Baron

4/19/19 9:21pm

I have over 10 years of professional work experience.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:28pm

That's not surprising. I'm sure it is for you. I'm sorry that I didn't realize how hard it is for you.

Baron

4/19/19 9:41pm

This wasn't a competition over who can be more smug and arrogant

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 9:53pm

Many students have done that and told me grad school was harder and they are

runnincoug

4/20/19 1:05am

You have no idea what you are talking about. I’m confident more than ever that

OBXCougar

4/19/19 10:55pm

Interesting answer.

RealityCheck

4/20/19 8:16am

As you say dont generalize the entire profession and we should also not

pappabear246

4/20/19 10:03am

You are exactly right, we have a former BYU OLman in our PhD program. Sharp guy!

OBXCougar

4/20/19 12:23pm

not to mention former player steve young and I bet Andrew Rich

pappabear246

4/20/19 1:12pm

I’ve been in both worlds. Both are hard. Trying to say who has it hardest is

SWP

4/20/19 1:29pm

I agree 100%. Too many variables. I just get tired of people

OBXCougar

4/20/19 1:53pm

These students are not applying for PhD degrees, they are focusing on Masters

pappabear246

4/20/19 9:33am

Every school is full in business programs. It’s an overpopulated program.

BYUMissouriCoug

4/19/19 4:47pm

So.? When they play d1 football and doni5..then they can talk.

CarolinaCoug

4/20/19 10:27am

It is not like BYU will be getting hundreds of grad transfers

pappabear246

4/20/19 8:26am

BYU will make far more money off of him than he does from a scholarship or

BDAWG

4/19/19 4:23pm

Perhaps. But this is a new avenue and setting precedent is important.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:27pm

Soo many types of grad programs. Stop. We arent talking physics phd

CarolinaCoug

4/20/19 10:22am

RE: Who thinks that?

chilango

4/19/19 11:38am

What we would do w/o these Intellectual Saviors of the Masses?

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 11:38am

It's amazing they can be so book smart yet so dumb.

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:38am

It's more arrogant snobbery than stupidity. Maybe it's both.

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 11:48am

It's both

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:59am

Cue the requisite Pharisee comment.

CougarThug

4/19/19 12:04pm

Bronco is at Virginia now. He was good at that.

RockyBalboa

4/19/19 12:11pm

Too bad winning went with him.

coolblue

4/19/19 1:00pm

Wait, what? People are worried about this?

LiveCoug

4/19/19 11:38am

I think the bigger issue here

cougarmanguy

4/19/19 11:39am

Yep. You're all going to look like idiots when Ty'Son gets in. Of course, then

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:41am

Athletes get exceptions

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:43am

For grad programs?

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:08pm

For everything

shakarocks

4/19/19 12:41pm

BYU has tightened their standards since then. Makes it harder on athletics, but

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:44pm

As Hugh Nibley said

jkccoug

4/19/19 2:29pm

It's not about wrecking prestige. It's about being a drain on limited resources.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:39am

Oh whatever

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:40am

Yeah, just wave that magic wand and hire a babysitter for every grad

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:43am

So all athletes who have attained a bachelors degree

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:44am

That's clearly what I said. We're talking about hypotheticals here. If there's

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:50am

There are plenty who are admitted that can't hack it either

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:58am

Yes. We should be admitting less of them, not more of them.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:01pm

A couple of points:

moabmax

4/19/19 1:14pm

I'm not the one insinuating he needs special help to get in. I think he'll get

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 4:16pm

I like it.

Baron

4/19/19 11:44am

Yeah as a faculty member...a great grad student is heaven. A needy one really

runnincoug

4/19/19 11:44am

Boy, you are really on a troll aren't you.

PJMort

4/19/19 11:45am

In a lot of these grad programs

donnerstag

4/19/19 11:53am

Who's going to do his research for him? Who's going to do his TA-ing for him?

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 11:55am

A lot of grad programs require none of that

donnerstag

4/19/19 11:58am

If so, then Ty'Son should have an easier time getting into the ones he wants.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:03pm

The Football program provides tutors for all players.

LCcoug

4/19/19 1:06pm

^^completely misunderstands graduate school. It's not like undergrad at all

runnincoug

4/19/19 12:15pm

I have 2 advanced degrees

donnerstag

4/19/19 12:19pm

Where were your degrees at? It does depend on the program.

runnincoug

4/19/19 12:33pm

Mine were from out-of-state private universities

donnerstag

4/19/19 12:42pm

Outside of business, medical, and law school, grad programs are much more

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:52pm

Not true. Most masters programs are not about research.

Baron

4/19/19 12:54pm

Most academic-type masters programs involve writing a thesis, AFAIK.

Throwaway59840

4/19/19 12:55pm

And? It is a paper.

Baron

4/19/19 1:41pm

ha! Now we know you're trolling!

runnincoug

4/19/19 1:51pm

Yep. A paper scares students away so no need to worry about transfers.

Baron

4/19/19 2:35pm

Your arrogance in this matter is amazing. It really is.

ReggaeCoug

4/19/19 2:18pm

As is your ignorance...

SWP

4/21/19 8:49am

Remember the last time you messed with us?

PJMort

4/19/19 11:43am

Ogre eventually caved

shakarocks

4/19/19 11:45am

Since when did BYU had a prestigious grad program in anything but accounting?

BeefNoodleSoup

4/19/19 1:16pm

IPT is #5 in the country, Law/Business are top 40, Local gov is 16, Pub Manage

runnincoug

4/19/19 1:24pm

Those are mostly professional programs no one cares about.

BeefNoodleSoup

4/19/19 1:29pm

Wow, the hate floweth strong on CB today! 😉

runnincoug

4/19/19 3:02pm

I hope you don't trip too hard as you're backpedaling there.

YSMACK

4/19/19 4:33pm

BYU has some good programs.

Punk Philosopher

4/19/19 4:38pm

Plenty of good grad school programs. Affordable too. I know for at least the law

here's to hoping

4/19/19 9:08pm

LOL, BYU grad programs suck for the most part.

Bluedomination

4/19/19 7:44pm

How dare you! BYU is only for the best and brightest.

Diablo and Doc

4/20/19 8:28am

It’s not the end of the world

bigjohn

4/20/19 8:56am

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