I am not sure that we have the depth to play 5-7 P5 games per year

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Jun 24, 2019
12:47:03pm

2FarGone No One of Consequence

I am not sure that we have the depth to play 5-7 P5 games per year

I am very pro independence, but the ceiling is not higher in independence because we simply lack the depth to compete with that many P5 teams per year. On the other hand, we have the depth to win the MWC or AAC almost any year.

I am fine with the AAC as long as their is a 2024 out clause, otherwise, we need to stay the course. The AAC or MWC will still want BYU in 2025.

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The main question about joining the AAC:

Dangerous

6/24/19 12:30pm

False assumption. Why would we only play 1-2 P5 games a year?

SJS

6/24/19 12:33pm

That's how many we played previously. I doubt we could get 4 P5 games a year

Dangerous

6/24/19 12:34pm

The big question is do we keep our P5 designation to conferences

Alister Mackenzie

6/24/19 12:35pm

That is not the case now... by going the the AAC this issue you’re worried about

Pretorian

6/24/19 3:05pm

What do you mean? Those conferences have said we count as P5 opponents right now

Alister Mackenzie

6/24/19 4:26pm

Right. If you're in a G5 conference, you do not maintain P5 status. Temple was P5 when they belonged to the Big

whitey1980

6/24/19 4:50pm

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying

Pretorian

6/24/19 5:20pm

Playing at least 8 conference games

Remigius

6/24/19 12:36pm

4 > 1-2, no?

SJS

6/24/19 1:37pm

What you call "false assumption" I call "good guess".

Mitty

6/24/19 5:55pm

Big games but if you lose as an Independent

TNT

6/24/19 12:33pm

The bigness is in the winning, not the playing.

foofcoug

6/24/19 12:35pm

Right. And BYU is not sweeping these games

TNT

6/24/19 12:35pm

The main question is revenue.

yorksama

6/24/19 12:33pm

See Coug's post from the other day. That is debatable

TNT

6/24/19 12:34pm

It's not debatable.

yorksama

6/24/19 12:39pm

BYU subsidizes their program with Sponsors and donors...

Coug

6/24/19 12:48pm

Lose donors and sponsors if we replace games like USC, Washington, Tenn, etc.

yorksama

6/24/19 12:51pm

That seemed like a fair comparison...

Coug

6/24/19 12:55pm

Alright, let's have an honest conversation.

yorksama

6/24/19 1:04pm

At least half...

Coug

6/24/19 1:08pm

You're wrong and I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to convince

yorksama

6/24/19 1:13pm

What am I wrong about?

Coug

6/24/19 1:18pm

Our SOS is higher this year than the majority of P5 teams

Hill4Heisman

6/24/19 3:03pm

How many donors and sponsors do we lose if we keep starting 1-3, 1-7, 3-3, etc?

BYU Fan

6/24/19 5:30pm

He's assuming donations and other non-TV revenue won't change.

Kajdin

6/24/19 12:41pm

So he can't make that pitch anymore if we go to the AAC?

Coug

6/24/19 12:49pm

The main issue when BYU left the MWC was ability to watch BYU on TV, not revenue

ptcougr

6/24/19 4:08pm

USU had a killer season, lost 1 con game, 1 non-con game, and mediocre bowl.

6/24/19 12:39pm

The ceiling is significantly lower in the AAC and MWC

Remigius

6/24/19 12:43pm

Let's revisit that once we've hit that ceiling. We still have a ways to go to

kolob32

6/24/19 1:08pm

That's the thing. BYU hasn't hit any ceiling yet. And they don't win the games

6/24/19 2:57pm

Really? You are saying BYU would be in the same situation

TNT

6/24/19 12:43pm

Yes.

MaxxPower

6/24/19 1:05pm

USU loses 1 game, they are playing for the Fiesta Bowl...

Coug

6/24/19 12:58pm

They just barely missed playing their second P5 of the season

Remigius

6/24/19 1:07pm

Ok you're exaggerating. BYU lost half and went to the Potato Bowl. If BYU loses

6/24/19 3:02pm

I swear... you all seriously need to brush up on your college football and the goings on...

Coug

6/24/19 3:08pm

So our fans now are content with being others money games than championships

USMCdad

6/24/19 12:44pm

Yep, that is the heart of the problem, the pro indy crowd's main argument is

kolob32

6/24/19 1:06pm

In the long term, money will always determine your program's value.

Lance71

6/24/19 2:37pm

Who says you can't implement that model as an independent?

Punk Philosopher

6/24/19 2:56pm

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AZbronco

6/24/19 3:02pm

If you think that is what a money game is then you don't understand what a money

byublue42

6/24/19 2:54pm

I honestly miss the fight for a conference championship...

Coug

6/24/19 12:46pm

Nope

MaxxPower

6/24/19 1:06pm

Your arguments are exactly how I feel and felt about beating teams like

Lance71

6/24/19 2:42pm

Haha... wow that's delusional....

Coug

6/24/19 2:52pm

You think Max Hall would beat me up if I told him the win over Wisonson was more

Lance71

6/24/19 3:02pm

Max Hall probably wouldn't beat you up... but he'd kindly tell you that you're wrong...

Coug

6/24/19 3:18pm

I don't care about USF at all. Let's ask CB. See attached poll.

Lance71

6/24/19 4:42pm

No... you said beating Wisconsin is better than a conference championship...

Coug

6/24/19 11:16pm

Yeah, I asked our fans that were fans when we won G5 championships. Most people

Lance71

6/26/19 6:00am

Being in a conference allows you to play for something.

Cardmormon

6/24/19 7:33pm

Why not just drop down to FCS?

Remigius

6/24/19 8:12pm

I am not sure that we have the depth to play 5-7 P5 games per year

2FarGone

6/24/19 12:47pm

I just want to win more games. We aren’t going to an NY6 bowl as

Traveshamockery

6/24/19 12:52pm

I lived through way too many years of great records and everybody nationally

gwalker

6/24/19 1:10pm

Yeah, all those years of conference championships, top 25 finishes, players

kolob32

6/24/19 1:32pm

If you had a choice of your kid playing in AAA or the MLB, you'd pick AAA

gwalker

6/24/19 1:38pm

AAA vs MLB is not equal G5 vs P5, bad comparison imo. Do you really think a 1

kolob32

6/24/19 2:06pm

A 1 loss independent BYU with schedules like we have coming up would get a lot

gwalker

6/24/19 2:20pm

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AZbronco

6/24/19 8:35pm

Why not drop down to FCS then? We could win 10+ games a year if that’s all you care about.

TCuz

6/24/19 1:14pm

That's silly, no one is asking to go to the FCS. I don't know why you use this.

kolob32

6/24/19 1:19pm

Only to prove a point. Winning for the sake of winning means nothing.

TCuz

6/24/19 1:26pm

Honestly, do you think BYU as a football "brand" has improved since going

kolob32

6/24/19 1:38pm

No, I don't. But you presume that by staying in the MWC, our brand would be better

TCuz

6/24/19 1:48pm

Geez man. It's the AAC here not the MWC

TNT

6/24/19 2:12pm

Wow, so you're saying we can't even compete in the watered down MWC? At best we

kolob32

6/24/19 2:12pm

I’m saying competing in the watered down MWC would bring me no happiness.

TCuz

6/24/19 2:15pm

Do you just want wins or do you want QUALITY wins?

Machiavelli

6/24/19 4:03pm

Most of BYU fans became BYU fans because of *boring* wins

boscatar

6/24/19 5:21pm

"boring" wins against *power* programs arent what I'm talking about.

Machiavelli

6/24/19 9:30pm

Honestly? At this point, any wins against any G5 team is good.

Traveshamockery

6/24/19 7:04pm

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ImuaKahuku

6/24/19 2:21pm

I don't want that G5 designation. The P5's may pull out of the NCAA, then what?

ImuaKahuku

6/24/19 2:32pm

With 2 other regional schools, we could craft decent AAC schedules:

boscatar

6/24/19 2:51pm

I think the better question might be

TFL

6/24/19 2:59pm

Indy hasn’t worked yet. I think being dominant in a conference, make NY6 bowl

Cardmormon

6/24/19 7:48pm

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