A 1 loss independent BYU with schedules like we have coming up would get a lot

Jun 24, 2019
2:20:08pm

gwalker All-American

closer to #5 than a 1 loss G5 BYU. Going G5 would hurt recruiting and close the door on leaving independence for something better in the future.

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The main question about joining the AAC:

Dangerous

6/24/19 12:30pm

False assumption. Why would we only play 1-2 P5 games a year?

SJS

6/24/19 12:33pm

That's how many we played previously. I doubt we could get 4 P5 games a year

Dangerous

6/24/19 12:34pm

The big question is do we keep our P5 designation to conferences

Alister Mackenzie

6/24/19 12:35pm

That is not the case now... by going the the AAC this issue you’re worried about

Pretorian

6/24/19 3:05pm

What do you mean? Those conferences have said we count as P5 opponents right now

Alister Mackenzie

6/24/19 4:26pm

Right. If you're in a G5 conference, you do not maintain P5 status. Temple was P5 when they belonged to the Big

whitey1980

6/24/19 4:50pm

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying

Pretorian

6/24/19 5:20pm

Playing at least 8 conference games

Remigius

6/24/19 12:36pm

4 > 1-2, no?

SJS

6/24/19 1:37pm

What you call "false assumption" I call "good guess".

Mitty

6/24/19 5:55pm

Big games but if you lose as an Independent

TNT

6/24/19 12:33pm

The bigness is in the winning, not the playing.

foofcoug

6/24/19 12:35pm

Right. And BYU is not sweeping these games

TNT

6/24/19 12:35pm

The main question is revenue.

yorksama

6/24/19 12:33pm

See Coug's post from the other day. That is debatable

TNT

6/24/19 12:34pm

It's not debatable.

yorksama

6/24/19 12:39pm

BYU subsidizes their program with Sponsors and donors...

Coug

6/24/19 12:48pm

Lose donors and sponsors if we replace games like USC, Washington, Tenn, etc.

yorksama

6/24/19 12:51pm

That seemed like a fair comparison...

Coug

6/24/19 12:55pm

Alright, let's have an honest conversation.

yorksama

6/24/19 1:04pm

At least half...

Coug

6/24/19 1:08pm

You're wrong and I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to convince

yorksama

6/24/19 1:13pm

What am I wrong about?

Coug

6/24/19 1:18pm

Our SOS is higher this year than the majority of P5 teams

Hill4Heisman

6/24/19 3:03pm

How many donors and sponsors do we lose if we keep starting 1-3, 1-7, 3-3, etc?

BYU Fan

6/24/19 5:30pm

He's assuming donations and other non-TV revenue won't change.

Kajdin

6/24/19 12:41pm

So he can't make that pitch anymore if we go to the AAC?

Coug

6/24/19 12:49pm

The main issue when BYU left the MWC was ability to watch BYU on TV, not revenue

ptcougr

6/24/19 4:08pm

USU had a killer season, lost 1 con game, 1 non-con game, and mediocre bowl.

Fatalplacebo

6/24/19 12:39pm

The ceiling is significantly lower in the AAC and MWC

Remigius

6/24/19 12:43pm

Let's revisit that once we've hit that ceiling. We still have a ways to go to

kolob32

6/24/19 1:08pm

That's the thing. BYU hasn't hit any ceiling yet. And they don't win the games

Fatalplacebo

6/24/19 2:57pm

Really? You are saying BYU would be in the same situation

TNT

6/24/19 12:43pm

Yes.

MaxxPower

6/24/19 1:05pm

USU loses 1 game, they are playing for the Fiesta Bowl...

Coug

6/24/19 12:58pm

They just barely missed playing their second P5 of the season

Remigius

6/24/19 1:07pm

Ok you're exaggerating. BYU lost half and went to the Potato Bowl. If BYU loses

Fatalplacebo

6/24/19 3:02pm

I swear... you all seriously need to brush up on your college football and the goings on...

Coug

6/24/19 3:08pm

So our fans now are content with being others money games than championships

USMCdad

6/24/19 12:44pm

Yep, that is the heart of the problem, the pro indy crowd's main argument is

kolob32

6/24/19 1:06pm

In the long term, money will always determine your program's value.

Lance71

6/24/19 2:37pm

Who says you can't implement that model as an independent?

Punk Philosopher

6/24/19 2:56pm

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AZbronco

6/24/19 3:02pm

If you think that is what a money game is then you don't understand what a money

byublue42

6/24/19 2:54pm

I honestly miss the fight for a conference championship...

Coug

6/24/19 12:46pm

Nope

MaxxPower

6/24/19 1:06pm

Your arguments are exactly how I feel and felt about beating teams like

Lance71

6/24/19 2:42pm

Haha... wow that's delusional....

Coug

6/24/19 2:52pm

You think Max Hall would beat me up if I told him the win over Wisonson was more

Lance71

6/24/19 3:02pm

Max Hall probably wouldn't beat you up... but he'd kindly tell you that you're wrong...

Coug

6/24/19 3:18pm

I don't care about USF at all. Let's ask CB. See attached poll.

Lance71

6/24/19 4:42pm

No... you said beating Wisconsin is better than a conference championship...

Coug

6/24/19 11:16pm

Yeah, I asked our fans that were fans when we won G5 championships. Most people

Lance71

6/26/19 6:00am

Being in a conference allows you to play for something.

Cardmormon

6/24/19 7:33pm

Why not just drop down to FCS?

Remigius

6/24/19 8:12pm

I am not sure that we have the depth to play 5-7 P5 games per year

2FarGone

6/24/19 12:47pm

I just want to win more games. We aren’t going to an NY6 bowl as

Traveshamockery

6/24/19 12:52pm

I lived through way too many years of great records and everybody nationally

gwalker

6/24/19 1:10pm

Yeah, all those years of conference championships, top 25 finishes, players

kolob32

6/24/19 1:32pm

If you had a choice of your kid playing in AAA or the MLB, you'd pick AAA

gwalker

6/24/19 1:38pm

AAA vs MLB is not equal G5 vs P5, bad comparison imo. Do you really think a 1

kolob32

6/24/19 2:06pm

A 1 loss independent BYU with schedules like we have coming up would get a lot

gwalker

6/24/19 2:20pm

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AZbronco

6/24/19 8:35pm

Why not drop down to FCS then? We could win 10+ games a year if that’s all you care about.

TCuz

6/24/19 1:14pm

That's silly, no one is asking to go to the FCS. I don't know why you use this.

kolob32

6/24/19 1:19pm

Only to prove a point. Winning for the sake of winning means nothing.

TCuz

6/24/19 1:26pm

Honestly, do you think BYU as a football "brand" has improved since going

kolob32

6/24/19 1:38pm

No, I don't. But you presume that by staying in the MWC, our brand would be better

TCuz

6/24/19 1:48pm

Geez man. It's the AAC here not the MWC

TNT

6/24/19 2:12pm

Wow, so you're saying we can't even compete in the watered down MWC? At best we

kolob32

6/24/19 2:12pm

I’m saying competing in the watered down MWC would bring me no happiness.

TCuz

6/24/19 2:15pm

Do you just want wins or do you want QUALITY wins?

Machiavelli

6/24/19 4:03pm

Most of BYU fans became BYU fans because of *boring* wins

boscatar

6/24/19 5:21pm

"boring" wins against *power* programs arent what I'm talking about.

Machiavelli

6/24/19 9:30pm

Honestly? At this point, any wins against any G5 team is good.

Traveshamockery

6/24/19 7:04pm

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ImuaKahuku

6/24/19 2:21pm

I don't want that G5 designation. The P5's may pull out of the NCAA, then what?

ImuaKahuku

6/24/19 2:32pm

With 2 other regional schools, we could craft decent AAC schedules:

boscatar

6/24/19 2:51pm

I think the better question might be

TFL

6/24/19 2:59pm

Indy hasn’t worked yet. I think being dominant in a conference, make NY6 bowl

Cardmormon

6/24/19 7:48pm

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