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AZbronco
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The main question about joining the AAC:
Dangerous
6/24/19 12:30pm
False assumption. Why would we only play 1-2 P5 games a year?
SJS
6/24/19 12:33pm
That's how many we played previously. I doubt we could get 4 P5 games a year
Dangerous
6/24/19 12:34pm
The big question is do we keep our P5 designation to conferences
Alister Mackenzie
6/24/19 12:35pm
That is not the case now... by going the the AAC this issue you’re worried about
Pretorian
6/24/19 3:05pm
What do you mean? Those conferences have said we count as P5 opponents right now
Alister Mackenzie
6/24/19 4:26pm
Right. If you're in a G5 conference, you do not maintain P5 status. Temple was P5 when they belonged to the Big
whitey1980
6/24/19 4:50pm
Exactly, that’s what I’m saying
Pretorian
6/24/19 5:20pm
Playing at least 8 conference games
Remigius
6/24/19 12:36pm
4 > 1-2, no?
SJS
6/24/19 1:37pm
What you call "false assumption" I call "good guess".
Mitty
6/24/19 5:55pm
Big games but if you lose as an Independent
TNT
6/24/19 12:33pm
The bigness is in the winning, not the playing.
foofcoug
6/24/19 12:35pm
Right. And BYU is not sweeping these games
TNT
6/24/19 12:35pm
The main question is revenue.
yorksama
6/24/19 12:33pm
See Coug's post from the other day. That is debatable
TNT
6/24/19 12:34pm
It's not debatable.
yorksama
6/24/19 12:39pm
BYU subsidizes their program with Sponsors and donors...
Coug
6/24/19 12:48pm
Lose donors and sponsors if we replace games like USC, Washington, Tenn, etc.
yorksama
6/24/19 12:51pm
That seemed like a fair comparison...
Coug
6/24/19 12:55pm
Alright, let's have an honest conversation.
yorksama
6/24/19 1:04pm
At least half...
Coug
6/24/19 1:08pm
You're wrong and I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to convince
yorksama
6/24/19 1:13pm
What am I wrong about?
Coug
6/24/19 1:18pm
Our SOS is higher this year than the majority of P5 teams
Hill4Heisman
6/24/19 3:03pm
How many donors and sponsors do we lose if we keep starting 1-3, 1-7, 3-3, etc?
BYU Fan
6/24/19 5:30pm
He's assuming donations and other non-TV revenue won't change.
Kajdin
6/24/19 12:41pm
So he can't make that pitch anymore if we go to the AAC?
Coug
6/24/19 12:49pm
The main issue when BYU left the MWC was ability to watch BYU on TV, not revenue
ptcougr
6/24/19 4:08pm
USU had a killer season, lost 1 con game, 1 non-con game, and mediocre bowl.
Fatalplacebo
6/24/19 12:39pm
The ceiling is significantly lower in the AAC and MWC
Remigius
6/24/19 12:43pm
Let's revisit that once we've hit that ceiling. We still have a ways to go to
kolob32
6/24/19 1:08pm
That's the thing. BYU hasn't hit any ceiling yet. And they don't win the games
Fatalplacebo
6/24/19 2:57pm
Really? You are saying BYU would be in the same situation
TNT
6/24/19 12:43pm
Yes.
MaxxPower
6/24/19 1:05pm
USU loses 1 game, they are playing for the Fiesta Bowl...
Coug
6/24/19 12:58pm
They just barely missed playing their second P5 of the season
Remigius
6/24/19 1:07pm
Ok you're exaggerating. BYU lost half and went to the Potato Bowl. If BYU loses
Fatalplacebo
6/24/19 3:02pm
I swear... you all seriously need to brush up on your college football and the goings on...
Coug
6/24/19 3:08pm
So our fans now are content with being others money games than championships
USMCdad
6/24/19 12:44pm
Yep, that is the heart of the problem, the pro indy crowd's main argument is
kolob32
6/24/19 1:06pm
In the long term, money will always determine your program's value.
Lance71
6/24/19 2:37pm
Who says you can't implement that model as an independent?
Punk Philosopher
6/24/19 2:56pm
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AZbronco
6/24/19 3:02pm
If you think that is what a money game is then you don't understand what a money
byublue42
6/24/19 2:54pm
I honestly miss the fight for a conference championship...
Coug
6/24/19 12:46pm
Nope
MaxxPower
6/24/19 1:06pm
Your arguments are exactly how I feel and felt about beating teams like
Lance71
6/24/19 2:42pm
Haha... wow that's delusional....
Coug
6/24/19 2:52pm
You think Max Hall would beat me up if I told him the win over Wisonson was more
Lance71
6/24/19 3:02pm
Max Hall probably wouldn't beat you up... but he'd kindly tell you that you're wrong...
Coug
6/24/19 3:18pm
I don't care about USF at all. Let's ask CB. See attached poll.
Lance71
6/24/19 4:42pm
No... you said beating Wisconsin is better than a conference championship...
Coug
6/24/19 11:16pm
Yeah, I asked our fans that were fans when we won G5 championships. Most people
Lance71
6/26/19 6:00am
Being in a conference allows you to play for something.
Cardmormon
6/24/19 7:33pm
Why not just drop down to FCS?
Remigius
6/24/19 8:12pm
I am not sure that we have the depth to play 5-7 P5 games per year
2FarGone
6/24/19 12:47pm
I just want to win more games. We aren’t going to an NY6 bowl as
Traveshamockery
6/24/19 12:52pm
I lived through way too many years of great records and everybody nationally
gwalker
6/24/19 1:10pm
Yeah, all those years of conference championships, top 25 finishes, players
kolob32
6/24/19 1:32pm
If you had a choice of your kid playing in AAA or the MLB, you'd pick AAA
gwalker
6/24/19 1:38pm
AAA vs MLB is not equal G5 vs P5, bad comparison imo. Do you really think a 1
kolob32
6/24/19 2:06pm
A 1 loss independent BYU with schedules like we have coming up would get a lot
gwalker
6/24/19 2:20pm
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AZbronco
6/24/19 8:35pm
Why not drop down to FCS then? We could win 10+ games a year if that’s all you care about.
TCuz
6/24/19 1:14pm
That's silly, no one is asking to go to the FCS. I don't know why you use this.
kolob32
6/24/19 1:19pm
Only to prove a point. Winning for the sake of winning means nothing.
TCuz
6/24/19 1:26pm
Honestly, do you think BYU as a football "brand" has improved since going
kolob32
6/24/19 1:38pm
No, I don't. But you presume that by staying in the MWC, our brand would be better
TCuz
6/24/19 1:48pm
Geez man. It's the AAC here not the MWC
TNT
6/24/19 2:12pm
Wow, so you're saying we can't even compete in the watered down MWC? At best we
kolob32
6/24/19 2:12pm
I’m saying competing in the watered down MWC would bring me no happiness.
TCuz
6/24/19 2:15pm
Do you just want wins or do you want QUALITY wins?
Machiavelli
6/24/19 4:03pm
Most of BYU fans became BYU fans because of *boring* wins
boscatar
6/24/19 5:21pm
"boring" wins against *power* programs arent what I'm talking about.
Machiavelli
6/24/19 9:30pm
Honestly? At this point, any wins against any G5 team is good.
Traveshamockery
6/24/19 7:04pm
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ImuaKahuku
6/24/19 2:21pm
I don't want that G5 designation. The P5's may pull out of the NCAA, then what?
ImuaKahuku
6/24/19 2:32pm
With 2 other regional schools, we could craft decent AAC schedules:
boscatar
6/24/19 2:51pm
I think the better question might be
TFL
6/24/19 2:59pm
Indy hasn’t worked yet. I think being dominant in a conference, make NY6 bowl
Cardmormon
6/24/19 7:48pm
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