Strength of schedule. Lurking variables my friend.

I'm curious where you hear are you hearing the smugness and condescension,

franklyvulgar

8/17/19 9:06am

Yeah, I was impressed by Wilson so not sure what he is going on about

Rise as Utes

8/17/19 10:12am

Go on my Twitter. Handle @BYUAnime. In my Tweets and Replies

BYUAnime

8/17/19 11:39am

Zach Wilson has the chance to develop into one of the best QBs in the ncaa...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:09am

Is it more smug to suggest that senior, proven QB is not as good as an injured, still unproven sophomore?

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:12am

Utah was down 27 to 7 through 3 quarters with a FR QB

Heinz57

8/17/19 9:16am

And they lost the game

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:22am

You missed a few of my comments

Heinz57

8/17/19 9:27am

LES has good views of the mtns, but the physical stadium is rough.

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:28am

State money funded RES built outs due to the 2012 Olympics

Heinz57

8/17/19 9:35am

What do I care where the funds to build it come from?

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:36am

I wish the Olympics would build BYU a better stadium.

The Dude Abides

8/17/19 9:44am

Me too. Would be more comfortable when I go see Utah play there.

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:49am

Haha! Now that was funny!!

truecougster

8/17/19 10:44am

I don’t think any state funds were used. It got $8M of Olympic money, which was

Scratch

8/17/19 9:48am

So a handout, like the law school

pegushin

8/17/19 10:26am

UofU received a payment

Heinz57

8/17/19 11:12am

Who cares if the Olympics help get it built they built it and it's better

Upanddown

8/17/19 12:30pm

I just went to Eccles and it's not much better. Same bleacher seats.

BlueForLife

8/17/19 6:10pm

False

Virginia Ute

8/18/19 11:37am

I went to two games there last year and sat in bleachers both times...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 2:21pm

There are not that many bleacher seats. Vast majority are chairs.

Jdoc

8/18/19 3:18pm

So I didn’t sit on bleachers?

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 5:16pm

Do you have reading comprehension issues? I said there are

Jdoc

8/18/19 5:22pm

I am sorry for his constant know it all’ness.

Cougstreak

8/18/19 5:56pm

It’s what he does. Quite frankly, it’s pretty funny but sad

Jdoc

8/18/19 6:05pm

You’re struggling here...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 6:44pm

I disagree. I never said there are no bleachers or tgat

Jdoc

8/18/19 6:49pm

I was teasing you...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 8:26pm

Let’s see what Zack’s numbers look like after the first 4 games this year

P12Envy

8/17/19 11:39am

Oh, you mean these numbers?

Heinz57

8/17/19 11:45am

And you thought was using that game to practice for the Pac-12 championships

Upanddown

8/17/19 12:24pm

I don't think we put up 27 on Utah this year.

BlueForLife

8/17/19 6:09pm

And their LBs are gone and will be much worse

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 6:56pm

When was the last time Whittingham had a really bad D?

BlueForLife

8/17/19 11:36pm

Did I say they’ll be bad this season?

puntersarepeople

8/18/19 8:35am

Our OL is back, and better

BYUAnime

8/18/19 1:02pm

What’s Huntley “proven”?

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:18am

That he is serviceable. That he can win a big game.

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:23am

I’ll agree he has proven that he is “serviceable”...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:29am

How has Wilson proven that? By tearing it up against Liberty State, or by winning 3 quarters of a rivalry game?

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:30am

Anyone that can actually see can actually see he’s a better physical talent...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:37am

Son is a high school QB, thinks he’s now an NCAA talent scout ^^^

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:39am

Lets see 🤔 CoachSpeak or Virginia Ute assessment. CoachSpeak by a wide margin.

Dynomite

8/17/19 9:43am

Son is a D1 FBS QB...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:46am

Aside from your comment about him becoming one of the best NCAA QBs, I'm sure I would agree with you more than most

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:49am

What part of “has a chance” are you not understanding?

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:52am

Yeah, we all have a chance to become the best NCAA QB, I guess.

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:53am

Do “we”? Mute you’re sarcasm because it’s nkt doing you any favors...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:59am

*your

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 10:01am

So you’ve failed and that is your last resort...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 10:05am

Wow, a grammatical error comeback is all you got? Glad you took that post grad

pegushin

8/17/19 10:16am

Wow

byuguns55

8/17/19 10:57am

You can’t have a logical discussion with CoachSpeak. Just know

UNHuskerCoug

8/17/19 10:58pm

This is so rich coming from you.

crazY

8/18/19 12:33am

I’m sorry I hurt you 😢

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 8:54am

You certainly did not hurt me. You are the most entertaining member of this

UNHuskerCoug

8/18/19 3:35pm

In denial, I’m not sure what stage of recovery that is but you’ve reached it.

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 4:21pm

Just move on. This is getting silly.

Cougstreak

8/18/19 5:56pm

Then don’t participate...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 6:45pm

What is silly is “know it all’s” dominating a thread stating the same thing...

Cougstreak

8/18/19 9:26pm

Not as funny as a yewt fan trying to pretend to be a BYU fan on a BYU fanboard..

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 9:32pm

You are looking silly. When you post ~45 times in a thread that is sad.

Cougstreak

8/18/19 9:37pm

You’re catching up to me...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 9:58pm

You are proving to be very classy. Don’t like it so call names...all class.

Cougstreak

8/19/19 8:55am

It’s interesting you bring up family wealth, because that means it’s more likely

Scratch

8/17/19 10:14am

Which is why he’s already a very accurate QB and knows where to put the ball

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 2:10pm

Sounds like Jake Heaps how many years has he been in the NFL now?

Upanddown

8/17/19 2:29pm

How many of your world beater QBs are in the league? 0

pegushin

8/17/19 5:06pm

except we don't know how he will heal from his shoulder surgery

Upanddown

8/17/19 12:41pm

Ive expressed that exact concern many times on this board...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 2:38pm

Huntley has never had a great quarterback coach which Ludwig is almost had

Upanddown

8/17/19 1:30pm

I gave this POTD. I couldn’t help myself.

UNHuskerCoug

8/18/19 12:00am

Ya, like the man says, he's muted on Wilson:

kos

8/18/19 5:51pm

Liberty State isn't a school. Good try, though, bud.

crazY

8/17/19 10:06am

Wilson three a critical pick 6 in that game too!

truecougster

8/17/19 10:54am

My thoughts exactly. I honestly don’t feel like Huntley has progressed or gotten that much better from 2017 to 2018.

Nuke

8/17/19 10:37am

Go watch Huntley in October, 2018.

Et Lux in Domino

8/18/19 5:36pm

um ... isn't Huntley coming off an injury himself?

ManicBlue

8/17/19 9:40am

Collarbone; not in the same league as throwing shoulder.

Stringer Bell

8/17/19 12:43pm

Wilson is no more injured than Huntley. Wilson is not unproven either.

slatecoug

8/17/19 10:38am

Totally agree - win period

truecougster

8/17/19 10:48am

We will get back to you August 30 😉

BYUSeahawks

8/17/19 12:18pm

I'm not going to agree with Rise Against's post, but I'm a little confused as to

Sock Gnome

8/17/19 4:42pm

Just curious, what has he proven? Has he won any big games?...

icecougar

8/17/19 8:29pm

Zach Wilson - Freshman behind a young OL. Huntley - Junior behind an experienced OL.

kccougar

8/17/19 9:14am

That’s just your opinion and stuff.

cougfanblue

8/17/19 9:15am

Zach’s a good qb

I'mBatman

8/17/19 9:16am

Great post.

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:24am

I said that almost same thing in my first post...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:31am

Yeah except where you said “he may develop into one of the best QBs in the NCAA.”

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:34am

If Wilson played with Utah you’d be thinking the exact same thing, don’t lie

cougarnerd

8/17/19 9:36am

I’d be excited, but I don’t think I’d be saying “gee he may become the one of the best QBs in the NCAA” just get.

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 9:37am

Well, for good reason

cougarnerd

8/17/19 9:42am

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cougarnerd

8/17/19 9:44am

Of course you wouldn't. Your crap coaching wouldn't allow it

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 10:04am

LOL. A BYU fan calling Utah's coaching 'crap.'

Virginia Ute

8/17/19 10:05am

What Whitt has had them do with QBs the last decade is pure crap.

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 10:11am

Wasn’t ARod Whitt’s QB coach all those years?

BrobaFett

8/17/19 1:20pm

It doesn't matter who their OC is. That's the point

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 2:14pm

Actually it does.

DocPimp

8/17/19 6:15pm

Huntley is a better runner than Wilson and is also better at handing the ball

TBabyCougs

8/17/19 10:17am

Get over it yewt...Wilson dumped you guys and you are still

byuguns55

8/17/19 10:58am

Dumped us?

displacedute

8/17/19 10:59am

Yeah, but you know you wanted him and it grinds your gears

byuguns55

8/17/19 11:24am

I am ecstatic we have Wilson, he has a lot of potential, but get real...

Cougstreak

8/17/19 11:52am

*yet 🙂

sakar12

8/17/19 4:06pm

“He could” seems to me to be qualified, especially when I did qualify it in the

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:43am

RE: “He could” seems to me to be qualified, especially when I did

SWMOute

8/17/19 12:10pm

You down play Huntley so much but when has Wilson had

BrobaFett

8/17/19 1:22pm

Wilson had a really good bowl game against a bad team...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 2:43pm

He was very good against Utah and did pretty well for how bad his o line was

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 2:50pm

He absolutely had better tools than Huntley...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 3:01pm

Southwest Missouri St?

SWMOute

8/17/19 4:58pm

I didn’t mean anyone really, that’s the point...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 5:15pm

Honestly it seems like you are the one getting ‘offended’ and ‘worked up’.

DocPimp

8/17/19 5:53pm

They might have smacked WMU but they could have easily lost to Hawaii or NIU

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 6:03pm

Wilson has done notable things.

DocPimp

8/17/19 6:08pm

Except nobody did

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 8:01pm

I agree with all that. He has potential, looked really good in the Utah game

DocPimp

8/17/19 10:02pm

I did say “Huntley is who he is” and I stand by that...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 6:09pm

I think they were in other discussions we’ve had on the topic...

DocPimp

8/18/19 12:35pm

He wants a low risk offense...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 2:34pm

I agree with all that, except for one part.

DocPimp

8/18/19 2:58pm

Although I want to make it clear...

DocPimp

8/18/19 12:39pm

RE: He absolutely had better tools than Huntley...

BuckElk

8/17/19 10:56pm

He had one impressive throw.

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 11:00pm

All I’m saying is we hear this every time.

BrobaFett

8/17/19 4:05pm

You’re high of you think Wilson was willing to take a walk on at Utah and...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 4:53pm

And you're high if think that Whitt screwed up with Wilson because

Stringer Bell

8/17/19 5:42pm

Whitt did screw up....

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 6:16pm

OK, if you think so. Tuttle was a real "team Player" after he committed

Stringer Bell

8/17/19 7:00pm

I don’t think Whitt screwed anything up.

BrobaFett

8/17/19 11:01pm

You need to be honest for me to be willing to discuss something with you....

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 2:40pm

My thoughts exactly. Let’s let this season play out and see where things stand.

BoiseBlueCoug

8/17/19 9:58am

According to Huntley's career, 12 games is long for him too. He's never done it.

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 10:03am

I knew we had some rational fans! 😂

truecougster

8/17/19 10:49am

This sums up my feelings. I'm not gonna say ZW is better than Huntley at this

Resurgens

8/17/19 7:57pm

Wait, you’re relying on the stats from PFF that ranked Huntley above Wilson?

Scratch

8/17/19 9:22am

That’s how I look at it...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:26am

In general a college sophomore is going to have more potential than a college

Scratch

8/17/19 9:33am

I disagree...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 9:50am

John Beck seemed to take a big step forward his senior year, so it does happen

BYUFootballisBack

8/17/19 5:14pm

Beck was better than Huntley as an underclassman...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 6:18pm

I agree. All experts say Wilson is better

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 9:49am

Here's the only fact I need: Zach rules, Tyler drools. The end.

LiveCoug

8/17/19 9:23am

Here's the link to PFF's QB rankings

Tj_utefan

8/17/19 9:44am

You just triggered this super cool twitter account

maxpowers

8/17/19 9:45am

Haha that guy is a loser.

IceCreamButt

8/17/19 9:57am

Huntley will have a heisman year!

Gandolfthewhite

8/17/19 10:08am

Zach hasnt done anything yet. Y'all are risking making the same mistake you made

Backcountry

8/17/19 10:09am

Don't bring that sound logic and reasoning here!

letthewookiewin

8/17/19 11:05am

Its something that is lacking in both fanbases

Backcountry

8/17/19 11:19am

COMPETITION MATTERS. Unanalyzed stats lie all the time. Zach started against

ALUF 1990

8/17/19 10:21am

Stanford was the only team worth mentioning on that list.

crazY

8/17/19 10:25am

Stanford had the 90th ranked pass D from S&P and they gave up

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 10:32am

Interesting. I should have looked a little more closely.

crazY

8/17/19 10:36am

USC is not worth mentioning??? UMass = USC? Stanford = NMSU? Nope

ALUF 1990

8/17/19 10:35am

Yes and all that athleticism got them 5-7

TBabyCougs

8/17/19 10:46am

Nope. They had a bad year.

crazY

8/17/19 11:32am

this isn't 2004. all the athleticism in the world doesn't make you good at football. USC was not good last year. at all.

macaroni

8/17/19 12:09pm

LOL and now you're guilty of generalizations as well.

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 10:30am

If Wilson played the whole season, the comparison would be better. He would have

ALUF 1990

8/17/19 10:40am

Sorry but if you suck at something, you suck at it. It doesn't matter

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 11:09am

4* rarely suck. Some do - see Heaps & Tuttle. It looks like

ALUF 1990

8/17/19 12:12pm

I don't care about individuals. If a coach can't get any group of athletes

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 12:29pm

you don't seem to understand the difference between strength of schedule and defensive rankings.

macaroni

8/17/19 12:10pm

The Pac South was very weak last year, not sure I’d go around talking up SOS too

chilango

8/17/19 10:40am

It is amazing how quickly U fans became P12 caricatures.

kccougar

8/17/19 11:37am

No joke. It took one or two years max.

Backcountry

8/17/19 11:42am

One game

WJCougar

8/17/19 4:52pm

PFF adjusts their ratings based on the quality of opposing units faced

Coop

8/17/19 12:20pm

oh brother! I remember one a BYU quarterback was compared with the best

grandpacoug

8/17/19 10:27am

As an Aggie fan it’s fun to sit back and watch BYU and

Truerblue

8/17/19 10:43am

Alright... you enjoy those games on Facebook Live

letthewookiewin

8/17/19 11:13am

I’d rather that my Aggies play on Facebook Live and win than have them

Truerblue

8/17/19 3:36pm

RE: I’d rather that my Aggies play on Facebook Live and win than have them

letthewookiewin

8/17/19 4:38pm

Do you actually think Utah st is going to sustain any sort of long term success?

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 5:11pm

With Gary Anderson, yes I do.

CrimsonCardinal

8/17/19 5:41pm

Will he stay more than two years? 😆

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 6:19pm

Who?

kccougar

8/17/19 11:37am

Remember the QB that put up 4 touchdowns on your amazing defense?

Truerblue

8/17/19 3:38pm

Ummmm....it’s utah state we’re talking about right?

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 5:12pm

Hey man give them some credit, they have beat BYU 5 times in the last 30 years.

IceCreamButt

8/17/19 5:59pm

And, when was the last time BYU had “one good season”?

Truerblue

8/17/19 7:43pm

You're right excuse me for speaking out of turn. I forgot I wast talking to a

IceCreamButt

8/17/19 8:23pm

Huh, looks about like BYU’s record over the last

Truerblue

8/17/19 8:34pm

Sure but our down years over the past 30 years have been the exception not the

IceCreamButt

8/17/19 8:48pm

Utah St. has been much more solid over the past decade than a majority

UNHuskerCoug

8/18/19 12:20am

How does PFF rank the two of them?

displacedute

8/17/19 10:53am

Those were the PFF rankings....

trom2foot3

8/17/19 1:52pm

Look in the corners of the boxes... Reading is hard

trom2foot3

8/17/19 2:20pm

No, those are PFF stats.

displacedute

8/18/19 8:40am

That’s obvious without question

BYUvermont

8/17/19 10:55am

RE: Zach Wilson is a better qb than Tyler Huntley. Stats don't lie.

Nationalchampions

8/17/19 11:23am

Big Z and Smooth J got this game.

PessimisticCB

8/17/19 11:25am

One thing I will say about Huntley and his stats he plays against better

Upanddown

8/17/19 12:14pm

NIU had a much better defense than almost all of the teams in the PAC 12 south

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 2:16pm

Get back to us when Zach puts up 40 points or more in a row

Stringer Bell

8/17/19 12:37pm

Get back to us when Huntley does it against better defenses than that.

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 6:12pm

Remind me again which of those D's finished in the top 50 in the nation in Total Defense?

slatecoug

8/17/19 6:31pm

Stanford and USC

Stringer Bell

8/18/19 1:33pm

If only there was a way to see who’ll win in a head to head matchup this yr...

DocPimp

8/17/19 1:48pm

Huntley has beat P5 teams. Zach has not

SlantRoute

8/17/19 2:12pm

Heinz claims that wilson is better than Trevor Lawrence. So he is for sure better than Huntley

BlueFrog

8/17/19 3:01pm

I’ve been thinking about this a lot, trying to figure out why, beyond the fact

Robbinoburrito

8/17/19 3:40pm

Why is that? Before Huntley got hurt his offense was averaging 40 pts a game,

BrobaFett

8/17/19 4:07pm

It’s simple. Huntley has close games or lost against multiple teams last year.

Robbinoburrito

8/17/19 4:58pm

I was at the Washington game...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 5:19pm

What does that have to do with how Huntley was

Jdoc

8/18/19 3:32pm

Sorry. “A stretch” is not good enough, or consistent enough, for what we’re

Robbinoburrito

8/18/19 3:50pm

That wasn’t my point. I agree Wilson has more potential than

Jdoc

8/18/19 3:55pm

I think I agree with both of you then. Huntley is very good, but I do think with

Robbinoburrito

8/18/19 4:15pm

Utah has no chance at being elite. I think most

Jdoc

8/18/19 4:19pm

I think most fans are buying the hype about a pac12 championship and...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 4:30pm

Most Utah fans I know do not believe Utah

Jdoc

8/18/19 4:39pm

I work with some and have friends that are as well...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 5:19pm

No I’m correct...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 4:27pm

No sir, you are wrong. I know you think it is impossible in

Jdoc

8/18/19 4:35pm

You’re the one that needs to look at the games and where the points came from...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 4:55pm

Here’s the breakdown...

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 5:15pm

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Jdoc

8/18/19 6:07pm

Are either of them better than Jordan Love?

Shore10

8/17/19 4:33pm

I don’t think so at this point...

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 5:21pm

I only Bring it up since we're comparing in-state qb's.

Shore10

8/18/19 7:08am

Sure, Love’s the best QB in the state right now, I agree with that.

CoachSpeak

8/18/19 9:31am

I’m a HUGE BYU fan but Huntley played

davidmj10

8/17/19 4:53pm

This is a dumb thing to argue about

CrimsonCardinal

8/17/19 5:01pm

Easy, like last year in SLC? Oh, wait...

chilango

8/17/19 5:13pm

You guys just can’t help yourselves can you?

CoachSpeak

8/17/19 5:23pm

“It will be easy”

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 5:56pm

I would expect no less

CrimsonCardinal

8/17/19 8:08pm

Why debate it? We will know soon.

Cougstreak

8/17/19 5:35pm

What was the competition and record

kapcreations

8/17/19 6:09pm

Sorry, but no

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 8:06pm

Wilson is 6'3 that's good size for a QB. That's not inferior to most CFB QBs.

pinolero

8/17/19 6:28pm

Signed Tom Brady. 😂 only teasing.

Lolo

8/17/19 6:44pm

He might not do that until he’s a senior

puntersarepeople

8/17/19 8:07pm

SoS would change things.

BlueForLife

8/17/19 6:30pm

Strength of schedule. Lurking variables my friend.

studmuffin85

8/17/19 10:45pm

Already been debunked if you'd pay attention.

Lip Gallagher

8/17/19 10:47pm

RE: Zach Wilson is a better qb than Tyler Huntley. Stats don't lie.

BuckElk

8/17/19 11:03pm

Posting on CougarBoard