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Dec 4, 2019
3:08:04pm

donnerstag All-American

ADs are generally in the loop when another school inquires about a head coach

Holmoe knew extremely well that the salary level that Virginia could offer was too much for BYU. The other issue is Holmoe already knew the salary level BYU was going to offer Bronco wasn't very competitive. Putting that on the table likely would have pushed him to UVA.

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What world do we live in where there are 3 LDS coaches in the top 25, and BYU

MikeDitka'sStache

12/4/19 1:35pm

Ha. That’s a good point. Never thought about that.

cougfanz

12/4/19 1:36pm

RE: Ha. That’s a good point. Never thought about that.

longtimeYfan

12/4/19 8:47pm

You'd be wrong

12/4/19 9:14pm

Tell me again why CB doesn't have an "eye roll" button?

ReggaeCoug

12/4/19 1:38pm

Why would you roll your eyes? Seems like a very legitimate point

GeraldGarner

12/4/19 7:26pm

A world where none of those guys has to deal with an HC

Blueto

12/4/19 1:38pm

Bronco never dealt with the HC?????

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:39pm

Tell me Niumatalolo doesn't deal with way more limitations than Sitake.

ataylor

12/4/19 1:41pm

No one is getting kicked out of the the Naval Academy for having beer or sex.

Blueto

12/4/19 1:43pm

Beer: They might be if they're < 21. Sex: depends on if they're accused of rape.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 1:46pm

This post makes no sense. Of course no school allows rape. I'm saying if a

Blueto

12/4/19 2:01pm

Uh. Baylor?

Yohy

12/4/19 3:16pm

Lol. True

Blueto

12/4/19 3:48pm

I may be wrong but I think the drinking age for military personnel is 18?

12/4/19 2:20pm

Not true. Unless they are stationed somewhere with a lower drinking age.

Metallicat

12/4/19 3:54pm

Army officer here: 100% still 21

WP17

12/4/19 3:57pm

You know way better than I would. I stand corrected. Thank you for your service

12/4/19 4:06pm

They’ll be put on restriction, but not kicked out.

Metallicat

12/4/19 3:18pm

If they get caught underage drinking multiple times they will be kicked out

califcougar

12/4/19 4:28pm

This is true. ^^

WP17

12/4/19 4:46pm

No one is going to let you commission if you can’t follow simple rules. You will

califcougar

12/4/19 5:44pm

For sure, I didn’t mean to make it sound like they turn a blind eye to it.

Metallicat

12/4/19 6:26pm

Like literally any other school?

Resurgens

12/4/19 6:59pm

And no one attending BYU is expected to serve in the military after graduating.

ataylor

12/4/19 1:46pm

They have different ones

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:47pm

Do we ever have players who are also in ROTC? They have a committment to serve.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 1:58pm

So like 1 or 2 a decade? Not close to the same.

WP17

12/4/19 3:51pm

I served in South Korea with Scott Moon. He was a walk-on BB-player and later..

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 8:33pm

So you know one

WP17

12/5/19 12:26am

They can’t leave campus for a year

WP17

12/4/19 3:56pm

Yeah, he just has to deal with that whole war thing. Nbd. Ha. Oh, and good luck going to the next level, too. But gettin

macaroni

12/4/19 5:22pm

Way tougher job at the military academies.

The Dude Abides

12/4/19 1:44pm

He does.. but they get to over sign a fair amount of players

cougfanz

12/4/19 1:47pm

I don't think he has any scholarship limitations at Navy

12/4/19 2:19pm

Yea but I believe they get a certain number that they can

cougfanz

12/4/19 2:51pm

I don't think the Ivies offer any athletic scholarships either.

12/4/19 2:57pm

Only need based.

dratax

12/4/19 3:14pm

They don’t. Similar need based. But their “offers”

cougfanz

12/4/19 3:48pm

Yeah I don't think it really helps them much, and their recruiting ranks show it

BYU313

12/4/19 3:20pm

The limitation is they can’t admit anyone they want. It’s easier for football

califcougar

12/4/19 8:57pm

Niumatalolo's job is much tougher than Sitake's. As one poster above observed,

vaquero

12/4/19 3:29pm

They also play a G5 schedule

TheLost

12/4/19 4:30pm

Let's be honest, the honor code wasn't the problem. $$$ played in

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:43pm

If we’re being honest, of course the HC is a factor

12/4/19 1:50pm

For 90% of male student athletes, no sex in college is a not going to be an

Blueto

12/4/19 1:57pm

And yet for 99% of potential athletes staying in the armed forces is

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 2:19pm

Ken has a harder job than Sitake

BYU313

12/4/19 3:14pm

This one is easy to answer

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:39pm

Probably the right answer.

a priori

12/4/19 1:40pm

Looks like a management problem to me

teancum

12/4/19 3:51pm

Bottom line: The church is an awful employer

vegas guey

12/4/19 7:43pm

BYU wanted a PR guy, so they hired a PR guy. They weren't interested in the best

777

12/4/19 1:39pm

+Gary Patterson?

a priori

12/4/19 1:39pm

A vicarious member thru his wife?

basman

12/4/19 1:43pm

I thought the same thing until some CBers pointed out that he actually joined

a priori

12/4/19 2:47pm

He has been baptized. Used to attend my ward. His ex wife is a member.

doctorthunderpants

12/5/19 1:04pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:43pm

Is Kyle active?

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:47pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:47pm

For Pete's sake, YES, Kyle is very active.

Et Lux in Domino

12/5/19 3:18pm

Someone threw Leach's name out there, so I was making this complete.

a priori

12/4/19 1:47pm

TCU is 5-7 and not remotely close to the top 25

Cougz19

12/4/19 4:26pm

You're fixated on one year where their SOS was really tough?

a priori

12/4/19 5:26pm

Eye roll emoji

Benfica1

12/4/19 1:40pm

It is pretty crazy to think about

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:41pm

Let's see

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:42pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:45pm

The point is he has done nothing against FBS level competition

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:52pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:56pm

OK, I need an explanation on what offer Bronco rejected

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:46pm

Bronco was under contract another season

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:52pm

When no extension was offered, correct. He looked elsewhere. Bronco was 9-4 in

777

12/4/19 2:00pm

The difference is the recruits weren't wondering whether Bronco would get

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:04pm

Meh, Tom chooses to not lock up a coach that has just won 99 games in 10 years

777

12/4/19 2:14pm

Tom only does what the BOT wants him to do

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:29pm

I know you don't have any proof on Bronco rejecting an offer

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:47pm

Who has actual proof of anything? Either believe it or don't. Simple

ReggaeCoug

12/4/19 1:54pm

Bronco was under contract with BYU through 2016

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:55pm

Bronco didn't get an extension before his final year started.

12/4/19 2:21pm

Bronco's final year of the contract was 2016

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:32pm

Right. He left in 2015, with one year left.

12/4/19 2:34pm

BYU did the exact same thing in 2013

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:43pm

The article on Niumatalolo basically says exactly what I am saying

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 2:24pm

I think Tom was going to make him hire Detmer

12/4/19 2:32pm

Yes. That was the string attached to Ken's offer

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:33pm

That's how BYU does most things

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:38pm

So you are just going to assume that Bronco negotiated behind Tom's back

777

12/4/19 3:01pm

ADs are generally in the loop when another school inquires about a head coach

donnerstag

12/4/19 3:08pm

Coaches know the far better opportunity is elsewhere. I can’t blame

The Dude Abides

12/4/19 1:43pm

I think $$$ is the biggest factor

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:45pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:47pm

Certainly something to consider, I agree on that. I just don't think they

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:49pm

Academic restrictions with BYU? Bronco is getting it done at Virginia. Ken at

DoseOfReality

12/4/19 2:34pm

Bronco wasn’t Holmoe’s first choice

pspack41

12/4/19 3:04pm

um last time I checked we had top rated MVB, WVB, WSoccer, MSoccer, Cross Countr

BYU Grounds

12/4/19 3:20pm

You are right but you are giving a Holmoe far

pspack41

12/5/19 7:17pm

I'm sure it's A factor- a big one, but probably not the biggest.

Et Lux in Domino

12/4/19 6:45pm

3.7, 3.5 and 2 million reasons

TheLost

12/4/19 1:44pm

Ugh. Everyone in the Top 25 except for KS. Thx for ruining my day.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 1:44pm

It's nice to see everyone coming around on ideas I've been preaching for most

Backcountry

12/4/19 1:58pm

It is nice isn’t it?

Punk Philosopher

12/4/19 2:36pm

Um what? You desperately wanted to fire Bronco for Kalani

ldssdl

12/4/19 2:51pm

That is correct. But i stated clearly i knew kalani was a gamble.

Backcountry

12/4/19 3:02pm

Kalani was worth the risk? Why on earth did you think Kalani would be a good

777

12/4/19 3:04pm

You enjoy Kalani football more?!

Bossk82

12/4/19 8:47pm

$$$$

bornbyu93

12/4/19 2:07pm

$$$$

Kerbouchard

12/4/19 3:25pm

Tommy Teflons world. That’s the world we live in.

12/4/19 3:44pm

It also says a lot about our fanbase because we "helped" run Bronco out.

runnincoug

12/4/19 3:51pm

^^^^Exactly!!

Ghost

12/4/19 3:53pm

This says nothing about Tom or the administration. It shows coaches Like students can choose another institution over

Cougarpride

12/4/19 4:24pm

Tell me this is TIC...I would hate to have to lower my opinion of your intellect

Jasbo

12/4/19 4:57pm

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Abe Froman

12/4/19 5:09pm

Says CB who complained incessantly when Bronco was here. Bronco Apologists?

PJMort

12/4/19 6:51pm

Nobody wants to deal with the admin at BYU not supporting the program at its

Ash

12/4/19 8:38pm

Remember when CB thought BYU Football was too good for Ken N? Yeah me too.

HONOMO

12/4/19 9:23pm

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