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Abe Froman

Previous username: Rise and Shout
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Last login: Apr 25, 2024
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What world do we live in where there are 3 LDS coaches in the top 25, and BYU

MikeDitka'sStache

12/4/19 1:35pm

Ha. That’s a good point. Never thought about that.

cougfanz

12/4/19 1:36pm

RE: Ha. That’s a good point. Never thought about that.

longtimeYfan

12/4/19 8:47pm

You'd be wrong

displacedute

12/4/19 9:14pm

Tell me again why CB doesn't have an "eye roll" button?

ReggaeCoug

12/4/19 1:38pm

Why would you roll your eyes? Seems like a very legitimate point

GeraldGarner

12/4/19 7:26pm

A world where none of those guys has to deal with an HC

Blueto

12/4/19 1:38pm

Bronco never dealt with the HC?????

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:39pm

Tell me Niumatalolo doesn't deal with way more limitations than Sitake.

ataylor

12/4/19 1:41pm

No one is getting kicked out of the the Naval Academy for having beer or sex.

Blueto

12/4/19 1:43pm

Beer: They might be if they're < 21. Sex: depends on if they're accused of rape.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 1:46pm

This post makes no sense. Of course no school allows rape. I'm saying if a

Blueto

12/4/19 2:01pm

Uh. Baylor?

Yohy

12/4/19 3:16pm

Lol. True

Blueto

12/4/19 3:48pm

I may be wrong but I think the drinking age for military personnel is 18?

WeekendWarrior

12/4/19 2:20pm

Not true. Unless they are stationed somewhere with a lower drinking age.

Metallicat

12/4/19 3:54pm

Army officer here: 100% still 21

WP17

12/4/19 3:57pm

You know way better than I would. I stand corrected. Thank you for your service

WeekendWarrior

12/4/19 4:06pm

They’ll be put on restriction, but not kicked out.

Metallicat

12/4/19 3:18pm

If they get caught underage drinking multiple times they will be kicked out

califcougar

12/4/19 4:28pm

This is true. ^^

WP17

12/4/19 4:46pm

No one is going to let you commission if you can’t follow simple rules. You will

califcougar

12/4/19 5:44pm

For sure, I didn’t mean to make it sound like they turn a blind eye to it.

Metallicat

12/4/19 6:26pm

Like literally any other school?

Resurgens

12/4/19 6:59pm

And no one attending BYU is expected to serve in the military after graduating.

ataylor

12/4/19 1:46pm

They have different ones

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:47pm

Do we ever have players who are also in ROTC? They have a committment to serve.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 1:58pm

So like 1 or 2 a decade? Not close to the same.

WP17

12/4/19 3:51pm

I served in South Korea with Scott Moon. He was a walk-on BB-player and later..

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 8:33pm

So you know one

WP17

12/5/19 12:26am

They can’t leave campus for a year

WP17

12/4/19 3:56pm

Yeah, he just has to deal with that whole war thing. Nbd. Ha. Oh, and good luck going to the next level, too. But gettin

macaroni

12/4/19 5:22pm

Way tougher job at the military academies.

The Dude Abides

12/4/19 1:44pm

He does.. but they get to over sign a fair amount of players

cougfanz

12/4/19 1:47pm

I don't think he has any scholarship limitations at Navy

displacedute

12/4/19 2:19pm

Yea but I believe they get a certain number that they can

cougfanz

12/4/19 2:51pm

I don't think the Ivies offer any athletic scholarships either.

displacedute

12/4/19 2:57pm

Only need based.

dratax

12/4/19 3:14pm

They don’t. Similar need based. But their “offers”

cougfanz

12/4/19 3:48pm

Yeah I don't think it really helps them much, and their recruiting ranks show it

BYU313

12/4/19 3:20pm

The limitation is they can’t admit anyone they want. It’s easier for football

califcougar

12/4/19 8:57pm

Niumatalolo's job is much tougher than Sitake's. As one poster above observed,

vaquero

12/4/19 3:29pm

They also play a G5 schedule

TheLost

12/4/19 4:30pm

Let's be honest, the honor code wasn't the problem. $$$ played in

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:43pm

If we’re being honest, of course the HC is a factor

cougarmeister

12/4/19 1:50pm

For 90% of male student athletes, no sex in college is a not going to be an

Blueto

12/4/19 1:57pm

And yet for 99% of potential athletes staying in the armed forces is

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 2:19pm

Ken has a harder job than Sitake

BYU313

12/4/19 3:14pm

This one is easy to answer

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:39pm

Probably the right answer.

a priori

12/4/19 1:40pm

Looks like a management problem to me

teancum

12/4/19 3:51pm

Bottom line: The church is an awful employer

vegas guey

12/4/19 7:43pm

BYU wanted a PR guy, so they hired a PR guy. They weren't interested in the best

777

12/4/19 1:39pm

+Gary Patterson?

a priori

12/4/19 1:39pm

A vicarious member thru his wife?

basman

12/4/19 1:43pm

I thought the same thing until some CBers pointed out that he actually joined

a priori

12/4/19 2:47pm

He has been baptized. Used to attend my ward. His ex wife is a member.

doctorthunderpants

12/5/19 1:04pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:43pm

Is Kyle active?

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:47pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:47pm

For Pete's sake, YES, Kyle is very active.

Et Lux in Domino

12/5/19 3:18pm

Someone threw Leach's name out there, so I was making this complete.

a priori

12/4/19 1:47pm

TCU is 5-7 and not remotely close to the top 25

Cougz19

12/4/19 4:26pm

You're fixated on one year where their SOS was really tough?

a priori

12/4/19 5:26pm

Eye roll emoji

Benfica1

12/4/19 1:40pm

It is pretty crazy to think about

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:41pm

Let's see

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:42pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:45pm

The point is he has done nothing against FBS level competition

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:52pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:56pm

OK, I need an explanation on what offer Bronco rejected

2FarGone

12/4/19 1:46pm

Bronco was under contract another season

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:52pm

When no extension was offered, correct. He looked elsewhere. Bronco was 9-4 in

777

12/4/19 2:00pm

The difference is the recruits weren't wondering whether Bronco would get

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:04pm

Meh, Tom chooses to not lock up a coach that has just won 99 games in 10 years

777

12/4/19 2:14pm

Tom only does what the BOT wants him to do

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:29pm

I know you don't have any proof on Bronco rejecting an offer

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:47pm

Who has actual proof of anything? Either believe it or don't. Simple

ReggaeCoug

12/4/19 1:54pm

Bronco was under contract with BYU through 2016

donnerstag

12/4/19 1:55pm

Bronco didn't get an extension before his final year started.

displacedute

12/4/19 2:21pm

Bronco's final year of the contract was 2016

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:32pm

Right. He left in 2015, with one year left.

displacedute

12/4/19 2:34pm

BYU did the exact same thing in 2013

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:43pm

The article on Niumatalolo basically says exactly what I am saying

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 2:24pm

I think Tom was going to make him hire Detmer

displacedute

12/4/19 2:32pm

Yes. That was the string attached to Ken's offer

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:33pm

That's how BYU does most things

donnerstag

12/4/19 2:38pm

So you are just going to assume that Bronco negotiated behind Tom's back

777

12/4/19 3:01pm

ADs are generally in the loop when another school inquires about a head coach

donnerstag

12/4/19 3:08pm

Coaches know the far better opportunity is elsewhere. I can’t blame

The Dude Abides

12/4/19 1:43pm

I think $$$ is the biggest factor

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:45pm

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Cougazul

12/4/19 1:47pm

Certainly something to consider, I agree on that. I just don't think they

kimdaddy35

12/4/19 1:49pm

Academic restrictions with BYU? Bronco is getting it done at Virginia. Ken at

DoseOfReality

12/4/19 2:34pm

Bronco wasn’t Holmoe’s first choice

pspack41

12/4/19 3:04pm

um last time I checked we had top rated MVB, WVB, WSoccer, MSoccer, Cross Countr

BYU Grounds

12/4/19 3:20pm

You are right but you are giving a Holmoe far

pspack41

12/5/19 7:17pm

I'm sure it's A factor- a big one, but probably not the biggest.

Et Lux in Domino

12/4/19 6:45pm

3.7, 3.5 and 2 million reasons

TheLost

12/4/19 1:44pm

Ugh. Everyone in the Top 25 except for KS. Thx for ruining my day.

BleedCougarBlue2

12/4/19 1:44pm

It's nice to see everyone coming around on ideas I've been preaching for most

Backcountry

12/4/19 1:58pm

It is nice isn’t it?

Punk Philosopher

12/4/19 2:36pm

Um what? You desperately wanted to fire Bronco for Kalani

ldssdl

12/4/19 2:51pm

That is correct. But i stated clearly i knew kalani was a gamble.

Backcountry

12/4/19 3:02pm

Kalani was worth the risk? Why on earth did you think Kalani would be a good

777

12/4/19 3:04pm

You enjoy Kalani football more?!

Bossk82

12/4/19 8:47pm

$$$$

bornbyu93

12/4/19 2:07pm

$$$$

Kerbouchard

12/4/19 3:25pm

Tommy Teflons world. That’s the world we live in.

Gerald-DeGroot

12/4/19 3:44pm

It also says a lot about our fanbase because we "helped" run Bronco out.

runnincoug

12/4/19 3:51pm

^^^^Exactly!!

Ghost

12/4/19 3:53pm

This says nothing about Tom or the administration. It shows coaches Like students can choose another institution over

Cougarpride

12/4/19 4:24pm

Tell me this is TIC...I would hate to have to lower my opinion of your intellect

Jasbo

12/4/19 4:57pm

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Abe Froman

12/4/19 5:09pm

Says CB who complained incessantly when Bronco was here. Bronco Apologists?

PJMort

12/4/19 6:51pm

Nobody wants to deal with the admin at BYU not supporting the program at its

Ash

12/4/19 8:38pm

Remember when CB thought BYU Football was too good for Ken N? Yeah me too.

HONOMO

12/4/19 9:23pm

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