of the "we are BYU and we know better than you" mentality.

Philips sent tapes to both schools. BYU said they weren't interested in looking at a skier-turned-kicker. Utah's kicking coach looked at the tape, told Phillips he was too raw, have him some techniques to work on and told him to contact Utah the next year. He was sufficiently improved, the following year, that Utah have him a tryout.

Gay wanted to be at BYU. When he approached the coaches, they told him that the "timing was bad". Whether that means that they were set in who their kicker was or that Gay had only one year of eligibility left, he was not told.

He went to Utah, got the starting job in the first game of the season. Utah applied for, and was granted, an extra year of eligibility for Gay.

Both of those players would have been Cougars had the coaches not been set in their ways, non-visionaries, incompetent etc.

One has to wonder how many additional wins BYU would have gained if they had been in Provo?