Ali used rope a dope in his 30s when past his prime. The young Ali was a stick

May 25, 2020
5:57:57pm

Forzaitalia 3rd String

and move fighter who was one of the best ever at taking a punch. We learned that Iron Mike could not take a punch nearly as well.

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Been watching Ali fights. Am I wrong to think Tyson would destroy Ali?

SlantRoute Original Gangster

5/25/20 4:36pm

Ali was too fast. Tyson had power, and good speed, but Ali

ayfan

5/25/20 4:40pm

Tyson was very fast. I think boxing evolved between the time of Ali and Tyson

SlantRoute

5/25/20 7:54pm

I'd argue that boxing regressed then.Tyson beat up a bunch of nobodies until he

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 9:12pm

I was a big Tyson fan but I have to agree. Ali's quickness and reach would be

AZ Coug

5/25/20 10:10pm

He’d have to catch him to land one and I doubt he could catch him.

CoachSpeak

5/25/20 4:44pm

Ali was a total package type boxer. His movement was great and he could punch

CougsBeatU

5/25/20 4:44pm

Tyson's movement was extremely good too.

5thNephi

5/25/20 8:55pm

I agree. That is one thing that puts him significantly higher

CougsBeatU

5/25/20 10:36pm

In the late 90s, yes. He didn't have too many distance fights 86-91, but he

5thNephi

5/25/20 10:48pm

Tyson is a similar fighter to Sonny Liston. A great fighter who Ali destroyed

ayfan

5/25/20 4:46pm

Tyson was MUCH faster than Liston. He was quite a bit smaller with much shorter

5thNephi

5/25/20 4:58pm

Lol! Tyson never beat anyone of consequence. He was

Jdoc

5/25/20 6:48pm

You didn't know 80s boxing. Evander couldn't even compete

5thNephi

5/25/20 6:55pm

Clearly you don’t know 80’s boxing. Holyfield didn’t even become a heavyweight

Jdoc

5/25/20 7:03pm

Isn't that what I said — Evander couldn't even compete as a heavyweight then?

5thNephi

5/25/20 7:47pm

I loved watching Tyson amd was devastated when he lost to Douglas.

Jdoc

5/25/20 8:08pm

It would've been a great fight, no doubt. The Tyson who got beat by

5thNephi

5/25/20 8:15pm

Frazier was an even better example of what Tyson could have become

bluelands

5/25/20 5:57pm

But boxing and baseball were the only pro sorts at the time

bluelands

5/25/20 7:28pm

Yes.

Everyman

5/25/20 4:51pm

I've done some reading on this recently. Seems like a lot of experts think

Cougarmayn

5/25/20 4:52pm

This conversation comes up quite frequently in boxing circles.

CougsBeatU

5/25/20 5:13pm

The MJ vs. Lebron debate of boxing.

Carnac

5/25/20 4:55pm

Except Tyson isn't any kind of consensus #2

bluelands

5/25/20 5:40pm

I actually agree. That rope a dope wouldn't work on iron Mike

Blueto

5/25/20 5:00pm

I watched Ali as a kid. Ali would have won. Ali could take a punch better than

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 5:00pm

He could take em in the short-run, anyways.

5thNephi

5/25/20 5:20pm

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lightmann

5/25/20 11:21pm

Amen on Ali being fearless. It was built in to his mental make up.

lightmann

5/25/20 10:55pm

If both were in their absolute prime, it would be an interesting fight. Ali was slippery and it would be hard for Tyson

slappy

5/25/20 5:24pm

Not a chance rope a dope works on Tyson.

EtTuKalante

5/25/20 5:36pm

RE: Not a chance rope a dope works on Tyson.

Hank Rearden

5/25/20 5:42pm

Tyson was already bored by that point.

EtTuKalante

5/25/20 6:06pm

Ali used rope a dope in his 30s when past his prime. The young Ali was a stick

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 5:57pm

When he was bored. See my post above.

EtTuKalante

5/25/20 6:09pm

Young Foreman was not NEARLY as skilled a fighter as a young Tyson.

5thNephi

5/25/20 6:22pm

Foreman was every bit the hard puncher Tyson was. At age 45 and overweight

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 9:04pm

Foreman was also an awkward stiff in the 70s — who very well nearly dominated

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:25pm

Skilled, not power. You missed his point.

EtTuKalante

5/25/20 9:55pm

One of Ali’s greatest strengths was his endurance. Rope-a-dope was a mental game

lightmann

5/25/20 11:36pm

Couldn’t be more wrong. You did see what Evander Holyfield did to Tyson, right?

Hank Rearden

5/25/20 5:40pm

In the late 90s, yes. Mike was not the same fighter he was as a younger guy.

5thNephi

5/25/20 6:33pm

Mmmm. A 23/24 year old Tyson in his prime got k-oed by a mediocre Douglas

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 8:59pm

It was a bad performance by Mike, no question. You act as if Ali was untouchable

5thNephi

5/25/20 9:12pm

Tyson seemed invincible until Buster Douglas. Could Ali beat Buster Douglas?

buckeyecougarguy

5/25/20 5:53pm

Playing the same game - I don't see how Tyson struggles w Frazier. Easy KO.

5thNephi

5/25/20 6:15pm

Tyson would have to get inside on Ali . . . Good luck

LakeshowCougs

5/25/20 6:07pm

Strong case for Ali.

AF Cougar

5/25/20 6:10pm

Tyson would have an extremely difficult time even getting to Ali due to Ali’s

Jdoc

5/25/20 6:45pm

You are correct. Pre-prison Tyson was the greatest fighter of all time. I was a

DoseOfReality

5/25/20 6:46pm

Who did Tyson beat that was any good? Nobody.

Jdoc

5/25/20 7:12pm

There is nobody from his era in the top 50 other than Holyfield

bluelands

5/25/20 8:01pm

Because Tyson ended them.

DoseOfReality

5/26/20 9:23am

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d-coug

5/25/20 6:50pm

Different eras for sure. Ali fought in a time with much better boxers. But

PJMort

5/25/20 7:08pm

Tyson in round 1 - easily.

Choke

5/25/20 7:16pm

The young Tyson could take Ali out in the first round or two, but if Ali gets

Beetdiggercoug

5/25/20 7:28pm

Ali was too fast his ears would could not be bitten

baldcoug74

5/25/20 7:35pm

Ali is like a much better Buster Douglas, his speed, length and technique would

CougarTailDevourer

5/25/20 7:42pm

Prime vs. Prime. Tyson 9 out of 10.

Diablo and Doc

5/25/20 8:08pm

Not a chance.

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 8:30pm

People forget how Terrifying/dominating Tyson was

RockyBalboa

5/25/20 8:30pm

You're probably too young to remember that Sonny Liston was feared like Tyson

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 8:43pm

Compared to Liston, Tyson was a choirboy....

AF Cougar

5/25/20 11:51pm

Not too young and don't mistake my opinion for believing Tyson would beat Ali

RockyBalboa

5/26/20 7:13am

Tyson was a lot younger when Douglas and Holyfield trounced him than when

Forzaitalia

5/25/20 9:23pm

No way. Tyson in his 20's was lightning quick and had great defense and a

CougarTailDevourer

5/26/20 9:30am

The ONLY man to ever trounce Tyson was Lennox. And Tyson was clearly

5thNephi

5/26/20 12:08pm

Ok, my opinion may be extreme. Maybe Tyson doesn’t destroy him. That’s a bit over the top. But i think Tyson wins.

SlantRoute

5/25/20 9:05pm

Ali - incredibly fast punches and evasive movement, especially his back pedaling. He was so very hard to

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