Are we really in the National conversation though?

Sep 29, 2020
2:38:36pm

che flaco All-American

We were early when hardly any one else is playing. The most common national conversation I see about BYU is “they sure have looked good, too bad we couldn’t see them against their original schedule.”

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I think Jarom Jordan is being proven right re: dumbing down the schedule

Iman23

9/29/20 8:04am

I mean Alabama dumbs down the schedule every year. Seems to work for them. 😉

CougarTailDevourer

9/29/20 8:05am

Alabama routinely has one of the worst OOC schedules in the P5s.

BerkeleyCoug

9/29/20 8:39am

The SEC usually has a week OOC schedule. It looks great when all start 3-0.

Turn and Cough

9/29/20 9:23am

The SEC has utilized a fantastic strategy in the NY6 and CFP world.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:03am

So why does Saban want 9 conference games?

antiyewt

9/29/20 10:20am

Because Alabama is really good. Missouri, Ole Miss, and Kentucky don't want 9

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:33am

You are SPOT ON...

dawgcoug

9/29/20 1:00pm

Alabama also has success in the SEC. Its not OOC schedule that gets them ranked

Tricky

9/29/20 8:53am

For every Alabama is a Vanderbilt. Clemson vs. Wake Forrest.

BYUHgrad

9/29/20 10:25am

Hmm. Alabama has averaged the 7th hardest SOS from 1997-2017.

BamaCoug

9/29/20 11:04am

I've been an advocate for dumbing down the the schedule but I wouldn't go this

mudpupper

9/29/20 8:06am

Agree. But undefeated in September is a nice feeling...

Iman23

9/29/20 8:08am

Navy, Army and Houston would be similar to low-end P5 wins.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:11am

BYU is ranked because we destroyed Navy not because we destroyed Troy.

mulletino

9/29/20 8:08am

And because there were 30+ candidates left out of the polls at the time.

mudpupper

9/29/20 8:13am

Exactly. If we created THIS schedule on purpose, we’d be laughed off the face of

Cougblau

9/29/20 8:18am

THIS

ColonelMustard

9/29/20 2:54pm

The schedule 'works' because of the 2020 situation. It won't always work. Also,

Benfica1

9/29/20 8:48am

I don't think so....the reason we are in the national conversation is because we

Dangerous

9/29/20 8:08am

Yes.

Benfica1

9/29/20 8:49am

You think BYU is good this year because BYU beat the brakes off two bad teams

reddead

9/29/20 10:02am

Some very real considerations.

AZcougLawyer

9/29/20 10:12am

Nobody cares about blowing out NM State and Western Michigan in a bowl game when

here's to hoping

9/29/20 11:05am

If you are scared of marquee games in the season, then you don't deserve

Bolso

9/29/20 12:58pm

So here’s the thing

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 3:11pm

Half the county wasn’t playing. And we won big. Nothing else to talk about.

AZcougLawyer

9/29/20 10:10am

Imagine what people would think if we won all our games for the past 30 years.

IAmACougarManSir....

9/29/20 9:58pm

Bwahahaha. We are in a national convo because we killed a team

Blue2thebone

9/29/20 11:22pm

Maybe the problem is the schedule make up. BYU needs the benefit of a couple warm up games like most P5 teams get to

Soupie

9/30/20 12:55am

Or is it that this team is better?

Dr T-bone

9/29/20 8:08am

Yes, a better team and an improved coaching staff (experience together).

Benfica1

9/29/20 8:49am

Last years team looked like it may have had similar trajectory

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 11:41am

when we beat tennesse and USC, we were in the national conversation

Idahofallsblue

9/29/20 8:11am

And then we got crushed by Washington and has already been crushed by Utah.

RalphWiggam

9/29/20 8:15am

I think had we been 4-2 by following up the Washington loss by beating Toledo

dfudge

9/29/20 8:53am

Aye. But did we lose to Toledo and USF because we were too beat up from the

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:09am

I agree. What we have seen this season so far is encouraging.

dfudge

9/29/20 10:31am

I just think we need to avoid playing P5 four times in September.

DanSmith

9/29/20 8:13am

This. It's suicide. We're not good enough to do that.

Ash

9/29/20 9:20am

We don't have the depth to overcome the injuries from the early season p5

SFarkus

9/29/20 10:00am

Plus it has left all the garbage for November. Losses + garbage = no interest.

ochobeeguy

9/29/20 12:37pm

This is key. The 4th straight game against a P5 has been brutal to us. 0-5

BerkeleyCoug

9/29/20 10:08am

I wish we could have an agreement with the Pac12 and Big XII every year that when a team plays a late season OOC rivalry

Yllage Vidiot

9/29/20 1:42pm

Remember when BYU struggled against winless FCS Portland state in game 1?

Mr. Scoobs

9/29/20 8:15am

What Jordan was advocating was somewhere in between the original 2020 and the current 2020 schedule

Indy Coug

9/29/20 8:16am

Not really. The more schedules we have like this, the fewer players like Wilson, Tonga, Empey, Hoge, and Romney decide

YIsForBrigham

9/29/20 8:17am

Loser mentality. Play the best schedule you can.

TCuz

9/29/20 8:18am

I'd take "loser mentality" & undefeated seasons over "winner mentality" & 7-6

reddead

9/29/20 10:03am

Luckily that's a false dichotomy. Satan lost. We're free.

AZcougLawyer

9/29/20 2:28pm

Depends on the goal. If we want to get lost in the mix like Wake, Texas Tech

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:17am

Yeah I changed my thinking about 3-4 years ago and think that is the best for

cougfanz

9/29/20 8:19am

In a normal year - we would not be ranked or in the “national conversation” with those two first games.

cougXor

9/29/20 8:19am

Or we could join AAC and get the national attention all their teams are seeing.

ordinary tri guy

9/29/20 8:21am

Aye. I would push for the AAC to add BYU, Boise and SDSU. May be Air Force, UNLV

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:23am

Only one I care that comes is Boise...screw the rest of them. I know we need it

ordinary tri guy

9/29/20 12:05pm

You take SDSU so that BYU gets frequent SoCal games and to beat up the MWC

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 12:30pm

If the goal is to perpetually exist as 1979 BYU, Jarom is absolutely right.

shoganai

9/29/20 8:24am

I heard Jarom say 3 tough P5s with the rest G5s--a middle ground between what

Forzaitalia

9/29/20 8:55am

That is essentially the same as being in a G5 conference without any of the

dfudge

9/29/20 10:33am

Agree. Give me the AAC.

Forzaitalia

9/29/20 11:37am

It's not that it's not possible as a non-P5 (which you're right, it isn't), it's

macdizzle

9/29/20 1:55pm

Without B10 and P12 playing, BYU will always get more attention.

byuwahoo

9/29/20 8:26am

We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.

BYUtka

9/29/20 8:26am

RE: We won and moved down in the rankings. It isn't really working.

mulletino

9/29/20 8:35am

If we had beaten good teams that wouldn't have affected us as much.

BYUtka

9/29/20 8:37am

Um, and what about tOSU, Penn St, and Oregon?

mulletino

9/29/20 8:42am

How many teams above us lost? How many could we have jumped over?

BYUtka

9/29/20 8:56am

How many teams from the BIG and PAC received votes?

mulletino

9/29/20 9:13am

Irrelevant.

BYUtka

9/29/20 9:17am

It's irrelevant when 26 additional P5 teams become eligible to start peeling away a finite number of votes?

mulletino

9/29/20 9:30am

Only LSU and Oklahoma.

YIsForBrigham

9/29/20 10:27am

That's disingenuous. We moved down because two P5 conferences were added to the

BerkeleyCoug

9/29/20 8:37am

The trick was beating Navy big. If BYU beat SJSU big, nobody would've cared.

ToasterChive

9/29/20 8:27am

True. For cultural and historical reasons, people care about Navy. Nobody cares

panguitch

9/29/20 12:07pm

BYU is a great team this year. We've been looking forward to this year for 3

MaxxPower

9/29/20 9:06am

Yeah ever since that game where we started 7 freshman on offense I've been

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 12:35pm

So stupid and short sighted. Makes me so sad to see fans wanting a dumb schedule

LiveCoug

9/29/20 9:06am

Lots of BYU fans clearly aren’t Jets or Bills fans and don’t know how to handle any degree of losing.

TCuz

9/29/20 9:13am

Navy is not a nobody and Troy has some national respect.

D.T. Survivor

9/29/20 9:08am

One reason we're being taken seriously is because of the schedule we had.

SLIVER

9/29/20 9:12am

Cupcake independent schedule is a tough sell to a 16 year old HS recruit.

deliciousmocha

9/29/20 9:17am

This is the best team Kalani has had by far. BYU is getting respect because

Bostonblue

9/29/20 9:22am

Or it could just be bad luck. We get a really good balanced team on both sides

SnickSnack

9/29/20 9:24am

BYU is getting recognition because they are finally good.

Tangotongo

9/29/20 9:37am

Jarom's theory has been proven right for any season in which only 79 teams play.

andrewg3

9/29/20 9:40am

Jarom's a tool. Let's go FCS then and be the Alabama of FCS.

GilbertAZCougar

9/29/20 9:53am

People Care because BYUs first game was when almost no one was playing and they

A Drew Aitch

9/29/20 9:55am

Navy isn't "absolutely nobody"

basc-coug

9/29/20 9:57am

I think our level of recruiting and coaching drops if we perpetually

mwcoug

9/29/20 10:00am

Our recruiting has dropped since scheduling UP, because we aren't winning

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 10:43am

Recruiting will likely get worse, not stay the same, if the schedule gets weaker

mwcoug

9/29/20 12:16pm

Like all the winning AAC, CUSA & Sun Belt schools that recruit better than BYU?

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 12:31pm

Consistently recruit better?

mwcoug

9/29/20 1:34pm

Troy is a pretty good Sunbelt that looked completely outclassed by BYU

puntersarepeople

9/29/20 3:13pm

Troy went 3-5 in Sun Belt last year; 5-7 overall.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 3:51pm

So would you decline an invitation to a P5 conference because it will lead to

cwilke1

9/30/20 10:58am

No. We'd get the P5 recruiting bump and have the resources to compete

Doogal McCougar

9/30/20 11:11am

it seems like following your arguments that you think recruiting will go down

cwilke1

9/30/20 11:49am

Nope. Recruiting would improve because of the P5 affiliation. Not sure on $$

Doogal McCougar

9/30/20 12:31pm

P5 is where the money is at. So I imagine ESPN will give us less money than

cwilke1

9/30/20 12:56pm

so part of your overall premise is that BYU should be trying to trick fans,

cwilke1

9/30/20 12:59pm

He's wrong and he's annoying about it. He beats the same drum all day long.

JKLCoug

9/29/20 10:17am

uhhm Jordan never said to add a pandemic in order to make it happen. Take away

DJROSS

9/29/20 10:36am

How much would ESPN pay for a significantly dumbed down schedule?

Scratch

9/29/20 11:23am

Not as much. But it doesn't need to be a significant change.

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 11:53am

You will not get high star recruits by winning and beating bad mediocre teams

BYUvermont

9/29/20 11:26am

Recruiting rankings and player stars were better before independence

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 11:44am

the competition for recruits improved once BYU went independent.

cwilke1

9/29/20 12:18pm

Lesser teams consistently out-recruit BYU. Correlation between P5 and/or wins

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 12:33pm

NOT REALLY! If all conferences had started as originally scheduled, BYU would not be ranked today. Also, BYU’s pitch

Cougarpride

9/29/20 11:54am

You make a logical point which is hard not to notice but...

Pretorian

9/29/20 12:54pm

It was so boring. It was so boring. Games meant nothing. I’d rather lose than play this s hedules again.

Dr MoBYU

9/29/20 1:18pm

Problem with Dumb Down Schedule is Recruits like to Play good teams

hammergm

9/29/20 1:28pm

LA Tech, Toledo, North Texas, and Florida Atlantic had better 2020 recruiting

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 1:41pm

Joining AAC doesn't mean we will start getting that caliber of a recruit, even

here's to hoping

9/29/20 5:02pm

We recruited like an average P5 in the MWC and early independence

Doogal McCougar

9/29/20 5:39pm

While that is true, Utah was also in the MWC and it was closer in time to the

here's to hoping

9/30/20 7:52am

Boise State consistently out recruits. So do Cincinnati, UCF and Houston.

Doogal McCougar

9/30/20 8:32am

oops, we are caught in a loop

here's to hoping

9/30/20 8:37am

Are we really in the National conversation though?

che flaco

9/29/20 2:38pm

I completely disagree. We’re dropping out of the nat’l conversation

qom

9/29/20 4:28pm

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