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Jan 22, 2021
4:11:53pm

Gerald-DeGroot Troublemaker

I mean I don’t know really what to say other than to direct you to the post you

replied to my friend. Answer some of those questions for me.

If you want to get the jab then get the jab. I have no problem with that. I believe strongly that anyone who is at risk should get it. Especially before me and my not at risk family. That does not make me a “anti-vaxxer” like the OP says it does.

If I was at risk, I’d get it. If I become at risk, I’ll get it. By then it should be vetted out and safe like the other vaccines. As of right now? It’s too new and rushed. And the 19 isn’t nearly deadly enough, to enough people, for me to not have reservations.

All the other historical vaccination diseases were.

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Time

"I'm not an an antivaxxer, but. . ." No, you are just an antivaxxer.

ReyOso

1/22/21 9:36am

What if I want more studies about the effectiveness of natural immunity for

DeekLyfter

1/22/21 9:39am

Ah dang, I saw your fine print after I posted.

DeekLyfter

1/22/21 9:40am

The * covers that case.

ReyOso

1/22/21 9:40am

This. Having had it already I'm in no rush.

Fargo

1/22/21 10:48am

This is entirely reasonable and even laudable to some degree.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 12:35pm

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Fightgar

1/22/21 9:45am

What if I've already had the virus and don't think the vaccine will give my any

BYUMizzou

1/22/21 9:50am

Never mind - you hid my case in the fine print

BYUMizzou

1/22/21 9:51am

Yeah... and Biden won the election too

shammy

1/22/21 9:51am

Oh boy...

1/22/21 10:48am

Meh, I don't think I'll even be eligible for the vaccine until summer

Bar7h

1/22/21 9:59am

What if I'm the last person in line to get the vaccine and we are already at 95%

Coach's Dad

1/22/21 10:03am

Absolutely wrong.

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:05am

Are you claiming people got the virus from the shot?

1/22/21 10:16am

Not at all.

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:18am

Can you clarify what you meant by this?

1/22/21 10:25am

It seems like he's just saying that he's heard of people getting the virus after

NVCougar

1/22/21 12:25pm

Of course it’s wrong.

shammy

1/22/21 10:20am

Exactly

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:23am

Your research sounds like a collection of anecdotal evidence

1/22/21 10:27am

Nope

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:33am

It absolutely does and it takes a second dose. How could you have researched

1/22/21 11:30am

But what does that have to do with them dying after the vaccine?

gangbusters

1/22/21 12:25pm

People in nursing homes that are very ill are going to die all the time

1/22/21 12:58pm

Perhaps they contracted it without symptoms in the days prior to the vaccine?

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 12:59pm

Just like the flu

1/22/21 2:02pm

Interesting comments in the article give context.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:04pm

Oh geeze..let me explain that to you

1/22/21 2:00pm

You make good points. Why just Norway?

gangbusters

1/22/21 2:14pm

Yep, dead on. People today are so intolerant of different opinions. Moderates

Fargo

1/22/21 10:52am

You consider yourself to be a moderate?

1/22/21 11:36am

You’re a kook and a wacko!! 😉

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 12:54pm

Can you cite any evidence that would suggest not getting it?

1/22/21 1:40pm

Wrong. I’m not an anti vaxxer but very hesitant to put anything in my body that

1/22/21 10:12am

In other words, "I'm not an antivaxxer. . .but I'm an antivaxxer."

ReyOso

1/22/21 11:22am

Other vaccines have been around for longer than 3 months.

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 3:15pm

And the other diseases that we vaccinate for were way more deadly.

1/22/21 4:12pm

Like chicken pox and the flu? Deadly like that?

ReyOso

1/22/21 4:16pm

All proven to be long term safe and no one is fighting to have those mandated.

1/22/21 4:24pm

Chicken pox vaccine is mandated in all 50 states for public school attendance.

ReyOso

1/22/21 4:32pm

Wrong. I’m a brand new, rushed, not at risk, 95%+ mortality rate, cautious

1/22/21 5:07pm

Honestly if this is how you live and measure risk there’s no shame in it.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:06pm

Me and the wife have had a few discussions about it. Haven’t decided yet. And

1/22/21 1:47pm

Sure, there is a risk of the unknown long term effect of the vaccine. However,

botticus

1/22/21 7:36pm

Underrated post right here. All the claims about worrying about the long term

1/22/21 9:46pm

What if I'm uneasy about long-term problems, & don't feel my kids need one?

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 10:13am

Your kids can't legally get it. Can you clarify what you mean by long term

1/22/21 10:18am

Unknown side effects that may show up later that we don't know about yet.

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 3:13pm

Can you give examples of previously unknown maladies from other vaccines

1/22/21 7:41pm

All of the smart people I know (including doctors) are, at minimum, skeptical

GeraldGarner

1/22/21 10:21am

Which vaccine side-effects occur manifest only long after vaccination?

1/22/21 10:28am

Late-onset autism

TheLoanArranger

1/22/21 10:52am

The reason would be so that you don't spread the disease to people who will

1/22/21 11:21am

You mean people who will be getting the vaccine?

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 3:14pm

So you painstakingly describe a conspiracy theorists approach

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:14pm

This is not a persuasive rebuttal.

DMVCougar

1/22/21 1:32pm

Correct. It wasn’t meant to rebut anything.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:46pm

Only needed the first word there.

DMVCougar

1/22/21 3:55pm

Did many need any of those words.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 6:16pm

RE: All of the smart people I know (including doctors) are, at minimum,

davemic

1/22/21 2:28pm

I think most doctors are actually not very bright.

GeraldGarner

1/22/21 4:13pm

Says the guy who used 'all the smart people I know (including doctors)'

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 8:41pm

Including doctors - because relative to subject

GeraldGarner

1/23/21 9:50am

RE: I think most doctors are actually not very bright.

davemic

1/22/21 11:10pm

This post says A LOT about you ReyOso. To make a blanket statement like this

1/22/21 10:35am

It does say a lot. It says I trust science and the process more than antivaxxers

ReyOso

1/22/21 11:24am

... and anyone that doesn’t agree with you or is wary of the brand new vaccine

1/22/21 11:52am

I think they are 100% wrong, yes. That's accurate summary of my position.

ReyOso

1/22/21 12:17pm

Cool bro. Well I think that people who blindly believe and trust the “science”

1/22/21 12:52pm

Really? Looks like you've been ranting about COVID for months.

ReyOso

1/22/21 12:57pm

Lol. The best part is that I’m am a science guy 99% of the time. THATS WHY IVE

1/22/21 1:00pm

Okay, then I admit I don't understand.

ReyOso

1/22/21 1:08pm

Whoa. My kids school just sent out some absolute Bullyewt letter trying to

1/22/21 1:32pm

Now you are starting to sound like an antivaxxer.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:50pm

The last paragraph is not my reason for being cautious. I’m just asking for a

1/22/21 2:06pm

Is the question:“if I’m not at risk myself, why do I need to get the vaccine?”

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 2:23pm

I always agreed with that line of thinking before the 19. I hated anti-Vaxxers

1/22/21 2:33pm

we all get older every day..everyone on the planet will be in that

1/22/21 3:33pm

I mean I don’t know really what to say other than to direct you to the post you

1/22/21 4:11pm

I think you've moved away from "the unknowns" to "it's not a serious disease".

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 8:16pm

It’s a very serious disease. It’s scary. The response is a hoax and mankind

1/22/21 8:25pm

I think you've nailed it on the head. If Covid vaccine were a 'Usual' vaccine

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 8:37pm

So how does your argument hold up when you read these studies?

gilmerbuckeye

1/23/21 12:47am

Doesn’t change anything at all in the “scenario” I addressed in the post.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/23/21 9:03am

I’ve had the first dose and had a terrible reaction to it. My PCP ordered me to

TexanY

1/22/21 10:46am

Big pharma, big gov't, highly politicized, highly rushed. What could possibly go

Fargo

1/22/21 10:55am

I guess conspiracy theory nuts could seize on it. That's something to go wrong.

ReyOso

1/22/21 11:25am

Don't buy masks. Stay indoors. Intubate the very ill.

DMVCougar

1/22/21 12:14pm

Do you have a reply, or just a thumbs down?

gangbusters

1/22/21 11:25am

I’ll take it just to shut all you whiners up.

Cobra Venom

1/22/21 12:31pm

I don't normally get the flu vaccine because I never get the flu or if I do get

gilmerbuckeye

1/22/21 2:58pm

The issue with this argument is that you could be asymptomatic and still spread

1/22/21 4:13pm

But if you’re vaccinated, you’re safe, so why worry about others getting it?

Cobra Venom

1/22/21 4:33pm

If these vaccines are as effective as we think they are, they can virtually wipe

1/22/21 4:51pm

you do know they have stated there isn't any evidence you can't spread it if you

gilmerbuckeye

1/22/21 6:05pm

More fear. Not backed by any Science.

Cobra Venom

1/22/21 6:43pm

Wrong. Did you even take one minute to google that before you spouted ignoranc?

gilmerbuckeye

1/22/21 7:59pm

Yes, that is the case with most vaccines. They take a while, sometimes years

1/22/21 6:52pm

There has never been a vaccine that has prevented disease but not prevented

botticus

1/22/21 7:32pm

Rey, I applaud you for sticking your neck out on this.

botticus

1/22/21 8:07pm

And if that bears out in reality, I will run to get mine. I just want to wait

gangbusters

1/22/21 8:36pm

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