So how does your argument hold up when you read these studies?

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Jan 23, 2021
12:47:56am

gilmerbuckeye 3rd String

So how does your argument hold up when you read these studies?

You Can Spread COVID-19 After Getting a Vaccine

Experts say COVID-19 vaccines help prevent serious illness from the disease, but they don't prevent you from contracting the novel coronavirus.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/you-can-still-spread-develop-covid-19-after-getting-a-vaccine-what-to-know

The New York Times

Here’s Why Vaccinated People Still Need to Wear a Mask

The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid. No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html

FiveThirtyEight

Even After Getting Vaccinated, You Could Still Infect Others

Now that the world has successfully completed history’s fastest development of a new vaccine, you might be wondering why we don’t always just make one this fast…

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/once-you-get-the-covid-19-vaccine-can-you-still-infect-others/

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"I'm not an an antivaxxer, but. . ." No, you are just an antivaxxer.

ReyOso

1/22/21 9:36am

What if I want more studies about the effectiveness of natural immunity for

DeekLyfter

1/22/21 9:39am

Ah dang, I saw your fine print after I posted.

DeekLyfter

1/22/21 9:40am

The * covers that case.

ReyOso

1/22/21 9:40am

This. Having had it already I'm in no rush.

Fargo

1/22/21 10:48am

This is entirely reasonable and even laudable to some degree.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 12:35pm

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Fightgar

1/22/21 9:45am

What if I've already had the virus and don't think the vaccine will give my any

BYUMizzou

1/22/21 9:50am

Never mind - you hid my case in the fine print

BYUMizzou

1/22/21 9:51am

Yeah... and Biden won the election too

shammy

1/22/21 9:51am

Oh boy...

1/22/21 10:48am

Meh, I don't think I'll even be eligible for the vaccine until summer

Bar7h

1/22/21 9:59am

What if I'm the last person in line to get the vaccine and we are already at 95%

Coach's Dad

1/22/21 10:03am

Absolutely wrong.

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:05am

Are you claiming people got the virus from the shot?

1/22/21 10:16am

Not at all.

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:18am

Can you clarify what you meant by this?

1/22/21 10:25am

It seems like he's just saying that he's heard of people getting the virus after

NVCougar

1/22/21 12:25pm

Of course it’s wrong.

shammy

1/22/21 10:20am

Exactly

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:23am

Your research sounds like a collection of anecdotal evidence

1/22/21 10:27am

Nope

gangbusters

1/22/21 10:33am

It absolutely does and it takes a second dose. How could you have researched

1/22/21 11:30am

But what does that have to do with them dying after the vaccine?

gangbusters

1/22/21 12:25pm

People in nursing homes that are very ill are going to die all the time

1/22/21 12:58pm

Perhaps they contracted it without symptoms in the days prior to the vaccine?

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 12:59pm

Just like the flu

1/22/21 2:02pm

Interesting comments in the article give context.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:04pm

Oh geeze..let me explain that to you

1/22/21 2:00pm

You make good points. Why just Norway?

gangbusters

1/22/21 2:14pm

Yep, dead on. People today are so intolerant of different opinions. Moderates

Fargo

1/22/21 10:52am

You consider yourself to be a moderate?

1/22/21 11:36am

You’re a kook and a wacko!! 😉

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 12:54pm

Can you cite any evidence that would suggest not getting it?

1/22/21 1:40pm

Wrong. I’m not an anti vaxxer but very hesitant to put anything in my body that

1/22/21 10:12am

In other words, "I'm not an antivaxxer. . .but I'm an antivaxxer."

ReyOso

1/22/21 11:22am

Other vaccines have been around for longer than 3 months.

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 3:15pm

And the other diseases that we vaccinate for were way more deadly.

1/22/21 4:12pm

Like chicken pox and the flu? Deadly like that?

ReyOso

1/22/21 4:16pm

All proven to be long term safe and no one is fighting to have those mandated.

1/22/21 4:24pm

Chicken pox vaccine is mandated in all 50 states for public school attendance.

ReyOso

1/22/21 4:32pm

Wrong. I’m a brand new, rushed, not at risk, 95%+ mortality rate, cautious

1/22/21 5:07pm

Honestly if this is how you live and measure risk there’s no shame in it.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:06pm

Me and the wife have had a few discussions about it. Haven’t decided yet. And

1/22/21 1:47pm

Sure, there is a risk of the unknown long term effect of the vaccine. However,

botticus

1/22/21 7:36pm

Underrated post right here. All the claims about worrying about the long term

1/22/21 9:46pm

What if I'm uneasy about long-term problems, & don't feel my kids need one?

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 10:13am

Your kids can't legally get it. Can you clarify what you mean by long term

1/22/21 10:18am

Unknown side effects that may show up later that we don't know about yet.

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 3:13pm

Can you give examples of previously unknown maladies from other vaccines

1/22/21 7:41pm

All of the smart people I know (including doctors) are, at minimum, skeptical

GeraldGarner

1/22/21 10:21am

Which vaccine side-effects occur manifest only long after vaccination?

1/22/21 10:28am

Late-onset autism

TheLoanArranger

1/22/21 10:52am

The reason would be so that you don't spread the disease to people who will

1/22/21 11:21am

You mean people who will be getting the vaccine?

ochobeeguy

1/22/21 3:14pm

So you painstakingly describe a conspiracy theorists approach

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:14pm

This is not a persuasive rebuttal.

DMVCougar

1/22/21 1:32pm

Correct. It wasn’t meant to rebut anything.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:46pm

Only needed the first word there.

DMVCougar

1/22/21 3:55pm

Did many need any of those words.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 6:16pm

RE: All of the smart people I know (including doctors) are, at minimum,

davemic

1/22/21 2:28pm

I think most doctors are actually not very bright.

GeraldGarner

1/22/21 4:13pm

Says the guy who used 'all the smart people I know (including doctors)'

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 8:41pm

Including doctors - because relative to subject

GeraldGarner

1/23/21 9:50am

RE: I think most doctors are actually not very bright.

davemic

1/22/21 11:10pm

This post says A LOT about you ReyOso. To make a blanket statement like this

1/22/21 10:35am

It does say a lot. It says I trust science and the process more than antivaxxers

ReyOso

1/22/21 11:24am

... and anyone that doesn’t agree with you or is wary of the brand new vaccine

1/22/21 11:52am

I think they are 100% wrong, yes. That's accurate summary of my position.

ReyOso

1/22/21 12:17pm

Cool bro. Well I think that people who blindly believe and trust the “science”

1/22/21 12:52pm

Really? Looks like you've been ranting about COVID for months.

ReyOso

1/22/21 12:57pm

Lol. The best part is that I’m am a science guy 99% of the time. THATS WHY IVE

1/22/21 1:00pm

Okay, then I admit I don't understand.

ReyOso

1/22/21 1:08pm

Whoa. My kids school just sent out some absolute Bullyewt letter trying to

1/22/21 1:32pm

Now you are starting to sound like an antivaxxer.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 1:50pm

The last paragraph is not my reason for being cautious. I’m just asking for a

1/22/21 2:06pm

Is the question:“if I’m not at risk myself, why do I need to get the vaccine?”

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 2:23pm

I always agreed with that line of thinking before the 19. I hated anti-Vaxxers

1/22/21 2:33pm

we all get older every day..everyone on the planet will be in that

1/22/21 3:33pm

I mean I don’t know really what to say other than to direct you to the post you

1/22/21 4:11pm

I think you've moved away from "the unknowns" to "it's not a serious disease".

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 8:16pm

It’s a very serious disease. It’s scary. The response is a hoax and mankind

1/22/21 8:25pm

I think you've nailed it on the head. If Covid vaccine were a 'Usual' vaccine

StalwartBraveTrue

1/22/21 8:37pm

So how does your argument hold up when you read these studies?

gilmerbuckeye

1/23/21 12:47am

Doesn’t change anything at all in the “scenario” I addressed in the post.

StalwartBraveTrue

1/23/21 9:03am

I’ve had the first dose and had a terrible reaction to it. My PCP ordered me to

TexanY

1/22/21 10:46am

Big pharma, big gov't, highly politicized, highly rushed. What could possibly go

Fargo

1/22/21 10:55am

I guess conspiracy theory nuts could seize on it. That's something to go wrong.

ReyOso

1/22/21 11:25am

Don't buy masks. Stay indoors. Intubate the very ill.

DMVCougar

1/22/21 12:14pm

Do you have a reply, or just a thumbs down?

gangbusters

1/22/21 11:25am

I’ll take it just to shut all you whiners up.

Cobra Venom

1/22/21 12:31pm

I don't normally get the flu vaccine because I never get the flu or if I do get

gilmerbuckeye

1/22/21 2:58pm

The issue with this argument is that you could be asymptomatic and still spread

1/22/21 4:13pm

But if you’re vaccinated, you’re safe, so why worry about others getting it?

Cobra Venom

1/22/21 4:33pm

If these vaccines are as effective as we think they are, they can virtually wipe

1/22/21 4:51pm

you do know they have stated there isn't any evidence you can't spread it if you

gilmerbuckeye

1/22/21 6:05pm

More fear. Not backed by any Science.

Cobra Venom

1/22/21 6:43pm

Wrong. Did you even take one minute to google that before you spouted ignoranc?

gilmerbuckeye

1/22/21 7:59pm

Yes, that is the case with most vaccines. They take a while, sometimes years

1/22/21 6:52pm

There has never been a vaccine that has prevented disease but not prevented

botticus

1/22/21 7:32pm

Rey, I applaud you for sticking your neck out on this.

botticus

1/22/21 8:07pm

And if that bears out in reality, I will run to get mine. I just want to wait

gangbusters

1/22/21 8:36pm

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