Do you think if doping didn't exist, people of African ancestry like Usain Bolt,

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Aug 1, 2021
12:13:07pm

Undefeated All-American

Do you think if doping didn't exist, people of African ancestry like Usain Bolt,

Justin Gatlin, Yohan Blake, Tyson Gay, Asafa Powell, Carl Lewis, Franky Fredericks, etc, wouldn't dominate the 100 meters? And guys with European, etc, ancestry would be able to win?

I don't. I think if everyone were clean, the guys I mentioned would still be the top sprinters in the world with a little slower times.

And if everyone is doping like some of the guys above who have already been caught, and as guys from Russia, etc, have, then the guys mentioned would still be/are the fastest. Same goes for the women's side historically and the women who won the 100 last night. (Sha'Carri Richardson would have had a say though if she ran.)

Everyone was clean when Jesse Owens was allowed to compete and won.

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Is it just me, or is it obvious that Jamaica is juicing?

Corn Pop

7/31/21 7:28pm

They’re totally a dirty program.

Spiff

7/31/21 7:29pm

They probably are juicing, but a small nation of fast people does produce fast

Lance71

7/31/21 7:30pm

Genetics + it’s the country’s favorite sport (from what I understand)

Revolution

7/31/21 7:42pm

Explain the before 2008. They suddenly started to dominate both the mens

SoValleyCOUG

7/31/21 9:31pm

The IOC ramped up testing for the 2004 and 2008 Olympic games. So, it’s possible that Jamaica actually was behind the

Odysseus

7/31/21 9:43pm

So, wait, there are genetic differences between different races? Impossible!!!

Iman23

7/31/21 7:43pm

I was told in a work training that’s not true

stoils

7/31/21 8:30pm

Yep. Dirty as they come

Beggar

7/31/21 7:30pm

Not just that they are winning. Their sprinters are cruising with daylight

bluelands

7/31/21 7:31pm

RE: Not just that they are winning. Their sprinters are cruising with daylight

cougarstrong

7/31/21 7:38pm

I remember how shocked Carl Lewis was when Ben Johnson flew past him...

icecougar

8/1/21 6:17am

Maybe it’s genetics lol 😆

7/31/21 7:33pm

It’s racist, sexist, bigoted to suggest there are genetic differences.

panacablue

7/31/21 7:50pm

Remember 'equality' means everyone is literally the exact same. Or something

Hotlanta

7/31/21 8:03pm

That's interesting. I've worried about the same thing and American swimmers.

HeismanTy

7/31/21 7:38pm

3rd largest population in the world and the best facilities in the world. Real head scratcher.

KingDave

7/31/21 7:41pm

There's a reason the vast majority of the world's top swimmers train in the US

Corn Pop

7/31/21 7:44pm

It's not a head scratcher that we win a bunch of swimming medals. How we win

HeismanTy

7/31/21 7:46pm

Good swimming facilities are expensive. The US has many more competition pools

Megamind

7/31/21 8:11pm

Not just the best facilities, but any facilities

Gustav

7/31/21 8:41pm

That was my thought as well. I even told my wife, how is she so far ahead?

BNcoug

7/31/21 7:38pm

I mean this isn’t new…unless you’re implying they’ve been juicing forever

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 7:44pm

1 or 2 is no surprise, but when they pump out relay teams, male and female,

Thrill

7/31/21 7:58pm

Read Sports Gene by Epstein. There are pockets of genetic abnormalities that

runnincoug

7/31/21 8:05pm

Perfect mix of genetics + environment. Great book too

Odysseus

7/31/21 8:10pm

Yep. And it’s not racist to say that, because it’s not a race-based observation,

Scratch

7/31/21 8:14pm

Where are the genetic pockets of fast white people?

Iman23

7/31/21 9:45pm

I’m sure there are some, relative to other white people.

Scratch

7/31/21 9:50pm

Athletics isn't always about being fast. Dutch are unusually tall (average male

runnincoug

7/31/21 10:03pm

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Hotlanta

7/31/21 10:43pm

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slatecoug

7/31/21 8:40pm

Jamaica/US have always been great @ sprints. When everyone is clean, they/we win

Undefeated

7/31/21 8:21pm

Prior to 2008, Jamaica's Olympic results in the 100M&200M were very pedestrian

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:42pm

Fire my research team!:)

Undefeated

7/31/21 11:03pm

Attempting to use humor to cover up the fact that you were completely wrong

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:57pm

I hate writing just cause it doesn't always convey intent. I was literally just

Undefeated

8/1/21 10:56pm

They only breathe through their noses. I think that’s amazing.

(Private)

7/31/21 8:35pm

Of course the Jamaican sprinters are juicing, Jamaican Olympic results included

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:39pm

So what you’re saying is Bolt was really good. He won more than half those golds

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 8:45pm

Bolt was really good, then he started juicing and became unbeatable.

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:58pm

Bolt is like Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds was one of the greatest baseball players

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 9:03pm

Good comparison

slatecoug

7/31/21 9:08pm

Except Bonds actually tested positive, Bolt never did. Bad comparison

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 9:12pm

Lance Armstrong never tested positive either

slatecoug

8/1/21 5:11am

So your strategy is just to assume everyone is doping and complain about it?

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 7:32am

When you’re dominating an event with a long history of doping, a logical conclusion is you just haven’t been caught yet

Spiff

8/1/21 11:26am

I’m just not going to hold the sins of his competitors against him.

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 11:41am

Do you think if doping didn't exist, people of African ancestry like Usain Bolt,

Undefeated

8/1/21 12:13pm

There is a reason why byu top 5 100 meter times are from guys with African

Undefeated

8/1/21 12:33pm

That's not what we are discussing

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:51pm

I'm not assuming anything. I'm looking at all of the facts which are many and...

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:47pm

You believe something to be true without proof, that’s an assumption

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 4:17pm

Right. & Freak of nature > must be the hardest of all hard workers.

Undefeated

8/1/21 11:11pm

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slatecoug

8/2/21 5:42pm

It helps when they don't test

lazycoug

8/1/21 10:05am

If Bolt was inconsistent and as lazy as said, then the lazy would explain the

Undefeated

8/2/21 1:18am

Of the top 10 fastest 100m runners all time, Bolt is one of 2 to never be banned

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 9:10pm

And Lance Armstrong was never busted on a test...

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 9:13pm

I guess Phelps and Dressel and Ledecky are doping too, probably Simone as well

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 9:19pm

Yep, it’s a lazy argument. And we’d have to assume not only are Jamaicans doping but that they are better at doing it

Odysseus

7/31/21 9:45pm

With Jamaica, I'll withhold some judgment. With China and Russia not a bit.

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 9:54pm

He did fail a test when he retired & came back for another run & his samples didn’t match previous levels when he won.

Spiff

7/31/21 9:23pm

I'd bet if Bolt was juicing, the other top world sprinters were too. So probably

Undefeated

7/31/21 11:42pm

Just like Armstrong. Everybody was doping in cycling. Probably still are.

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 11:46pm

All the other top sprinters in the world were caught doping except Bolt

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 12:53am

And Lance Armstrong won 7 straight Tours de France.

Spiff

7/31/21 9:13pm

2008-2016, Jamaica won every single gold in Men's & Women's 100M/200M except 1

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:47pm

Sprinting is what kids do in Jamaica for recess, etc. It's cultural.

Hill4Heisman

7/31/21 9:04pm

Ya Scandinavian kids in Minnesota don’t run at recess…. Lol it’s all cultural.

kotacoug

7/31/21 10:06pm

Running and sprinting are different.

lilpenny

8/1/21 6:29am

Juicing hasn't helped Russia, China, etc.

Undefeated

7/31/21 9:49pm

And?

slatecoug

8/1/21 5:13am

And it hasn't evened the playing field because they aren't as fast naturally.

Undefeated

8/1/21 9:15am

So. Why are you wasting time going off on a tangent?

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:52pm

I see people discussing Genetics and doping, which is what I too am discussing.

Undefeated

8/1/21 10:57pm

This was only about doping

slatecoug

8/2/21 5:43pm

I believe natural selection from extreme slavery conditions plays a huge role in

Robert Baratheon

7/31/21 10:32pm

CBS is going to fire you again Jimmy the Greek. You have to learn it is okay to think that privately, but you can’t say

Trent

8/1/21 7:04am

On the front page of ESPN right now it says that a dude from italy won the 100

boctabulous

8/1/21 7:37am

I guess they’re doping now too

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 7:39am

Good comparison. Did they sweep? Are they a tiny island nation?

Beggar

8/1/21 8:57am

If a dude from italy won then wouldn't that mean that jamaica didn't sweep?

boctabulous

8/1/21 9:17am

They swept the women’s event

Beggar

8/1/21 9:29am

So a poor country is better at doping than Russia and China and others? I doubt

Undefeated

8/1/21 9:54am

It'd be more suspicious if 3 athletes NOT Jamaican swept the 100m

runnincoug

8/1/21 10:45am

exactly

Undefeated

8/1/21 11:47am

Born in the USA though

Undefeated

8/1/21 9:11am

Slave owners used "LeBron" types as studs.

ParentingNotForSissy

8/1/21 7:47am

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