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Aug 1, 2021
10:56:38pm

Undefeated All-American

I hate writing just cause it doesn't always convey intent. I was literally just

trying to make/keep things light. We're just a few fellow byu sports fans having a discussion, no big deal.

I didn't think I needed to get in the last word cause I thought Odysseus had already addressed your point. It could have to do with other factors as well. Doesn't have to just be due to doping while others aren't.

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Is it just me, or is it obvious that Jamaica is juicing?

Corn Pop

7/31/21 7:28pm

They’re totally a dirty program.

Spiff

7/31/21 7:29pm

They probably are juicing, but a small nation of fast people does produce fast

Lance71

7/31/21 7:30pm

Genetics + it’s the country’s favorite sport (from what I understand)

Revolution

7/31/21 7:42pm

Explain the before 2008. They suddenly started to dominate both the mens

SoValleyCOUG

7/31/21 9:31pm

The IOC ramped up testing for the 2004 and 2008 Olympic games. So, it’s possible that Jamaica actually was behind the

Odysseus

7/31/21 9:43pm

So, wait, there are genetic differences between different races? Impossible!!!

Iman23

7/31/21 7:43pm

I was told in a work training that’s not true

stoils

7/31/21 8:30pm

Yep. Dirty as they come

Beggar

7/31/21 7:30pm

Not just that they are winning. Their sprinters are cruising with daylight

bluelands

7/31/21 7:31pm

RE: Not just that they are winning. Their sprinters are cruising with daylight

cougarstrong

7/31/21 7:38pm

I remember how shocked Carl Lewis was when Ben Johnson flew past him...

icecougar

8/1/21 6:17am

Maybe it’s genetics lol 😆

7/31/21 7:33pm

It’s racist, sexist, bigoted to suggest there are genetic differences.

panacablue

7/31/21 7:50pm

Remember 'equality' means everyone is literally the exact same. Or something

Hotlanta

7/31/21 8:03pm

That's interesting. I've worried about the same thing and American swimmers.

HeismanTy

7/31/21 7:38pm

3rd largest population in the world and the best facilities in the world. Real head scratcher.

KingDave

7/31/21 7:41pm

There's a reason the vast majority of the world's top swimmers train in the US

Corn Pop

7/31/21 7:44pm

It's not a head scratcher that we win a bunch of swimming medals. How we win

HeismanTy

7/31/21 7:46pm

Good swimming facilities are expensive. The US has many more competition pools

Megamind

7/31/21 8:11pm

Not just the best facilities, but any facilities

Gustav

7/31/21 8:41pm

That was my thought as well. I even told my wife, how is she so far ahead?

BNcoug

7/31/21 7:38pm

I mean this isn’t new…unless you’re implying they’ve been juicing forever

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 7:44pm

1 or 2 is no surprise, but when they pump out relay teams, male and female,

Thrill

7/31/21 7:58pm

Read Sports Gene by Epstein. There are pockets of genetic abnormalities that

runnincoug

7/31/21 8:05pm

Perfect mix of genetics + environment. Great book too

Odysseus

7/31/21 8:10pm

Yep. And it’s not racist to say that, because it’s not a race-based observation,

Scratch

7/31/21 8:14pm

Where are the genetic pockets of fast white people?

Iman23

7/31/21 9:45pm

I’m sure there are some, relative to other white people.

Scratch

7/31/21 9:50pm

Athletics isn't always about being fast. Dutch are unusually tall (average male

runnincoug

7/31/21 10:03pm

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Hotlanta

7/31/21 10:43pm

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slatecoug

7/31/21 8:40pm

Jamaica/US have always been great @ sprints. When everyone is clean, they/we win

Undefeated

7/31/21 8:21pm

Prior to 2008, Jamaica's Olympic results in the 100M&200M were very pedestrian

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:42pm

Fire my research team!:)

Undefeated

7/31/21 11:03pm

Attempting to use humor to cover up the fact that you were completely wrong

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:57pm

I hate writing just cause it doesn't always convey intent. I was literally just

Undefeated

8/1/21 10:56pm

They only breathe through their noses. I think that’s amazing.

(Private)

7/31/21 8:35pm

Of course the Jamaican sprinters are juicing, Jamaican Olympic results included

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:39pm

So what you’re saying is Bolt was really good. He won more than half those golds

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 8:45pm

Bolt was really good, then he started juicing and became unbeatable.

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:58pm

Bolt is like Barry Bonds. Barry Bonds was one of the greatest baseball players

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 9:03pm

Good comparison

slatecoug

7/31/21 9:08pm

Except Bonds actually tested positive, Bolt never did. Bad comparison

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 9:12pm

Lance Armstrong never tested positive either

slatecoug

8/1/21 5:11am

So your strategy is just to assume everyone is doping and complain about it?

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 7:32am

When you’re dominating an event with a long history of doping, a logical conclusion is you just haven’t been caught yet

Spiff

8/1/21 11:26am

I’m just not going to hold the sins of his competitors against him.

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 11:41am

Do you think if doping didn't exist, people of African ancestry like Usain Bolt,

Undefeated

8/1/21 12:13pm

There is a reason why byu top 5 100 meter times are from guys with African

Undefeated

8/1/21 12:33pm

That's not what we are discussing

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:51pm

I'm not assuming anything. I'm looking at all of the facts which are many and...

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:47pm

You believe something to be true without proof, that’s an assumption

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 4:17pm

Right. & Freak of nature > must be the hardest of all hard workers.

Undefeated

8/1/21 11:11pm

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slatecoug

8/2/21 5:42pm

It helps when they don't test

lazycoug

8/1/21 10:05am

If Bolt was inconsistent and as lazy as said, then the lazy would explain the

Undefeated

8/2/21 1:18am

Of the top 10 fastest 100m runners all time, Bolt is one of 2 to never be banned

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 9:10pm

And Lance Armstrong was never busted on a test...

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 9:13pm

I guess Phelps and Dressel and Ledecky are doping too, probably Simone as well

PHXSUNS31

7/31/21 9:19pm

Yep, it’s a lazy argument. And we’d have to assume not only are Jamaicans doping but that they are better at doing it

Odysseus

7/31/21 9:45pm

With Jamaica, I'll withhold some judgment. With China and Russia not a bit.

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 9:54pm

He did fail a test when he retired & came back for another run & his samples didn’t match previous levels when he won.

Spiff

7/31/21 9:23pm

I'd bet if Bolt was juicing, the other top world sprinters were too. So probably

Undefeated

7/31/21 11:42pm

Just like Armstrong. Everybody was doping in cycling. Probably still are.

EtTuKalante

7/31/21 11:46pm

All the other top sprinters in the world were caught doping except Bolt

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 12:53am

And Lance Armstrong won 7 straight Tours de France.

Spiff

7/31/21 9:13pm

2008-2016, Jamaica won every single gold in Men's & Women's 100M/200M except 1

slatecoug

7/31/21 8:47pm

Sprinting is what kids do in Jamaica for recess, etc. It's cultural.

Hill4Heisman

7/31/21 9:04pm

Ya Scandinavian kids in Minnesota don’t run at recess…. Lol it’s all cultural.

kotacoug

7/31/21 10:06pm

Running and sprinting are different.

lilpenny

8/1/21 6:29am

Juicing hasn't helped Russia, China, etc.

Undefeated

7/31/21 9:49pm

And?

slatecoug

8/1/21 5:13am

And it hasn't evened the playing field because they aren't as fast naturally.

Undefeated

8/1/21 9:15am

So. Why are you wasting time going off on a tangent?

slatecoug

8/1/21 3:52pm

I see people discussing Genetics and doping, which is what I too am discussing.

Undefeated

8/1/21 10:57pm

This was only about doping

slatecoug

8/2/21 5:43pm

I believe natural selection from extreme slavery conditions plays a huge role in

Robert Baratheon

7/31/21 10:32pm

CBS is going to fire you again Jimmy the Greek. You have to learn it is okay to think that privately, but you can’t say

Trent

8/1/21 7:04am

On the front page of ESPN right now it says that a dude from italy won the 100

boctabulous

8/1/21 7:37am

I guess they’re doping now too

PHXSUNS31

8/1/21 7:39am

Good comparison. Did they sweep? Are they a tiny island nation?

Beggar

8/1/21 8:57am

If a dude from italy won then wouldn't that mean that jamaica didn't sweep?

boctabulous

8/1/21 9:17am

They swept the women’s event

Beggar

8/1/21 9:29am

So a poor country is better at doping than Russia and China and others? I doubt

Undefeated

8/1/21 9:54am

It'd be more suspicious if 3 athletes NOT Jamaican swept the 100m

runnincoug

8/1/21 10:45am

exactly

Undefeated

8/1/21 11:47am

Born in the USA though

Undefeated

8/1/21 9:11am

Slave owners used "LeBron" types as studs.

ParentingNotForSissy

8/1/21 7:47am

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