That’s a lazy argument by cougarboard

Apr 30, 2024
7:56:43pm

I'mBatman All-American

Did ARod not coach and develop pro qbs, multiple ones. Let’s just ignore that fact.

As far as Zach Wilson he really wasn’t recruiting by ByU. Detmer either. He just fell in their lap at the last minute as part of a coaching transition because he had the opportunity to play close to home and didn’t have any big offers. Hall was a legacy kid who was going to BYU since being a young boy.

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Aaron Roderick’s failure at recruiting QBs is a disaster

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 8:52am

Isaac Wilson has no connection to BYU?

mulletino

Apr 30, 8:53am

He is who I was referring to when I said, “or even worse, is a fan of our rival”

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 8:54am

He grew up UofU fan, child of UofU alums and former player. Aside from his

BYUtka

Apr 30, 8:55am

He had 3 brothers play at BYU. One was an all-time great QB & #2 NFL Draft pick

CaliWG

Apr 30, 9:00am

And yet I don’t blame him for not wanting to go to BYU.

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 9:05am

What are the chances Hammond showed BYU no interest and BYU just moved on

Pretorian

Apr 30, 9:20am

You can only offer one QB a class. If they offered ‘24 QB they risk Isaac

Bobmarleyjr

Apr 30, 11:43pm

Arod offered a half dozen 2024 QBs. Don't be silly.

TexDaddy

May 1, 12:55pm

Who did he offer from 2024?

Bobmarleyjr

May 2, 10:43am

Zero chances that is true. It's not true. He would have accepted a BYU offer.

TexDaddy

May 1, 12:56pm

What are you inferring.

Cougstreak

Apr 30, 12:04pm

RE: And yet I don’t blame him for not wanting to go to BYU.

imdocrob

Apr 30, 4:03pm

Hammond WOULD HAVE served a mission had he gone to BYU.

TexDaddy

May 1, 1:25pm

He still can.

Jeffacka

May 1, 3:14pm

His family tells me he will serve later in life. I'm sure he will.

TexDaddy

May 1, 4:47pm

And yet, all jumped off the BYU ship

1984coug

Apr 30, 9:24am

He was an open book about wanting to forge his own path

stansburycoug

Apr 30, 11:57am

One, ZW was not an all-time great (2020 was a hoax) and Two, he recommended Utah

CallSign

Apr 30, 1:00pm

Which is why it’s more perplexing if Arod went all in recruiting him and didn’t

cougaman

Apr 30, 9:05am

Isaac Wilson has no connection to BYU? Hmm…

BlooCoug

Apr 30, 8:54am

How connected are you to a school your brother attended for a few years?

BYUtka

Apr 30, 9:03am

All his brothers.

BlooCoug

Apr 30, 9:07am

RE: All his brothers.

BYUtka

Apr 30, 9:30am

The Wilson's are not BYU fans... even a PWO would've landed Isaac

1984coug

Apr 30, 10:39am

We literally signed all of Isaac’s brothers

Zombre

Apr 30, 8:54am

All that shows is how obsessed Arod was with signing a QB who is a ute fan and

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 8:55am

lol k

Zombre

Apr 30, 8:56am

Because Will Hammond was actually a BYU fan

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 8:57am

Will Hammond was never interested in going to BYU.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:04am

You are in denial.

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 9:07am

His family and friends may have wanted him at BYU.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:12am

Do you know Will?

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 9:15am

I know what he said.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:17am

So you are basing this on second hand sources just like I am

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 9:20am

I never mentioned a source.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:23am

If you don’t know Will, and he hasn’t said publicly that he was never interested

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 9:26am

So you're making these claims without firsthand knowledge/sources? What?

HarlemCoug

Apr 30, 10:48am

Apparently Jeffacka knows better than Hammonds friends & family

BYU Fan

Apr 30, 2:52pm

Another CBer close to the family says otherwise

Preppy

Apr 30, 9:17am

Exactly.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:19am

No, I'm saying other reports were that Hammond DID want BYU.

Preppy

Apr 30, 9:35am

If he REALLY wanted to be at BYU, I have a feeling he would be there

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

Apr 30, 9:40am

Haha. Lots of kids want to play at xyz school...but won't if not offered.

Preppy

Apr 30, 9:58am

I’m sure

Ghost Pirate LeChuck

Apr 30, 1:56pm

Yes, reports from people who wanted him at BYU. Will just wasn't interested.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:44am

Not what I hear a couple years ago.

Preppy

Apr 30, 10:25am

I find it a little hard to believe an LDS kid who traveled to go to BYU's camps

CameronG

Apr 30, 9:27am

Lots of kids go to camps at different colleges.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:45am

Pay to travel from Texas to Utah every year to go to a school's camp you have no

CameronG

Apr 30, 9:48am

Going to camps is hardly a waste of time.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:53am

Stop. The. Spin.

vabeachcoug

Apr 30, 1:09pm

You're the friends and family I'm referring to.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 2:46pm

And you are the 1 of the spinsters

vabeachcoug

Apr 30, 3:02pm

Lemon suckers always complain.

refunder

Apr 30, 12:35pm

Every BYU QB ARod has recruited/coached has played in the NFL or has a chance to

Gorgias

Apr 30, 8:58am

Did he recruit wilson and hall?

Deleted

Apr 30, 8:59am

Kalani saved Zach Wilson. Hall committed to Detmer, IIRC

deliciousmocha

Apr 30, 9:07am

There's success getting QB's into the NFL, but getting QB's into the NFL that

BlueFever

Apr 30, 9:05am

That part of it has little to nothing to do with BYU.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:19am

Uh-huh. Of course, if Zach and Jaren were tearing it up in the NFL

BlueFever

Apr 30, 9:39am

It has nothing to do with training and development in the NFL.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 9:48am

Huh?

BlueFever

Apr 30, 10:20am

Whether or not someone is successful in the NFL has little to do with

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 11:44am

You place almost zero value on college football when

BlueFever

Apr 30, 1:13pm

You're not understanding.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 5:10pm

So you're saying Zach Wilson would be in the exact same situation

BlueFever

Apr 30, 6:29pm

I didn't say anything about Zach Wilson.

Jeffacka

Apr 30, 7:24pm

You don't have to say anything about Zach Wilson. It could be Trey Lance or

BlueFever

May 1, 8:17am

Good job making things up that I never stated.

Jeffacka

May 1, 3:43pm

That exact same statement could be said about every single college coach

Pretorian

Apr 30, 9:23am

Let's put it this way: BYU is no longer the "Quarterback Factory"

BlueFever

Apr 30, 9:45am

You must consider how byu came to be the QB factory….

Pretorian

Apr 30, 11:07am

So just camp at the portal with KS & ARod and hope one of the broken QB's will

BlueFever

Apr 30, 2:55pm

If BYU has been getting NFL caliber QBs with Arod then something has to be going alright.

greatbam

Apr 30, 11:31am

You seem to be attributing Hall and Wilson going to the NFL because of Arod — yet the guy has a dozen guys on the roster

Zach Morris

Apr 30, 9:29am

Zach is the only one, the rest were Bronco's. Zach may have been more Grimes

coolblue

Apr 30, 10:05am

ARod actually has recruited 0 players to BYU at QB who've played in the league

stansburycoug

Apr 30, 1:25pm

Kalani recruited those guys

runningryan

Apr 30, 7:58pm

Slovi

CarolinaCoug

Apr 30, 8:49pm

the "no connection to BYU" thing sounds silly to me

Belboz

Apr 30, 9:06am

Barring a miracle turn around (& a complete change in philosophy/culture) he and sitake are gone by end of ‘25

byuTX

Apr 30, 9:27am

I hope it is 24 and not 25

Deleted

Apr 30, 9:28am

Unless there’s a scandal, even a 1-win season won’t cost sitake’s job IMO. But will probably be enough to fire ARod

byuTX

Apr 30, 9:31am

Why keep a lame duck coach?

BYU Fan

Apr 30, 10:59am

Reduce the buyout, hoping he turns it around, don't want to hurt feelings, etc (Not saying I agree FYI)

byuTX

Apr 30, 12:47pm

Those seem like great ways to kill a program

BYU Fan

Apr 30, 2:36pm

They'd say it's also a way to save money, though in the long run it is likely to be much more costly

byuTX

Apr 30, 2:58pm

Based on offseason recruiting neither one of them look like someone interested in keeping their job

runningryan

Apr 30, 8:16pm

If he survives another year I will be shocked

Heath Squashwell

Apr 30, 9:28am

There is no indication he gets it

runningryan

Apr 30, 8:17pm

My issue with the recruitment of Isaac Wilson was that Kalani and ARod specifically choose to not recruit another...

Coug

Apr 30, 9:29am

Like you said, all evidence points to Kalani being an organizational mess

mudpupper

Apr 30, 9:57am

We're going into year 9 of his tenure & there's serious questions/doubt about

gopman

Apr 30, 11:49am

I agree with you, gopman. We're going into year 9

BYUJoJo

Apr 30, 7:37pm

I am on team Jay Hill after 1 season

MrSandman

Apr 30, 11:37am

Kalani not being organized will be why Tom will have to make a decision

gopman

Apr 30, 11:48am

Should have learned from the Utes. What was that dude's name they made promises to & missed on Zach because of it?

Soupie

Apr 30, 6:34pm

RE: My issue with the recruitment of Isaac Wilson was that Kalani and ARod

TexDaddy

May 1, 1:23pm

And yet Roderick coached ZW and JH. He gets no credit for that? And Slovis wasn't bad, the Oline just sucked

BYU Grounds

Apr 30, 9:34am

This post is about recruiting. He gets credit for recruiting Zach Wilson but

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 9:36am

And Grimes was the one in the Wilson's living room recruiting him the second he was hired...

Coug

Apr 30, 9:40am

He didn’t recruit Wilson did he? ZW signed before Arod was hired IIRC

byuTX

Apr 30, 9:40am

Zach Wilson signed his LOI on December 21st to BYU. ARod was hired as QB coach on Dec 28th.

Coug

Apr 30, 9:46am

No, Arod doesn’t get any credit for them just like it’s not his fault when others don’t make the NFL. The idea of giving

Zach Morris

Apr 30, 9:40am

Here and below you are misrepresenting coaching. It is both, recruit/development

NYC and Japan

Apr 30, 10:08am

He did a good job as qb coach with ZW and keeping that momentum going with Hall

palangi

Apr 30, 9:47am

I tend to agree

nova_coug_fan

Apr 30, 9:39am

Let's not forget the non-existent run game early on when Slovis was under center, teams went all in on defending the

dingus79

Apr 30, 9:51am

Those are fair points, but they still point back to coaching issues

nova_coug_fan

Apr 30, 10:30am

I agree with coaching issues, we had a talented o-line and good enough running backs to be more productive, I think it

dingus79

Apr 30, 10:32am

RE: Aaron Roderick’s failure at recruiting QBs is a disaster

OldFogey

Apr 30, 9:44am

Why don't we save our collective outrage for a few years and see what Will

StantonMac

Apr 30, 9:50am

Fans haven’t learned the lesson that star rating of a QB often doesn’t correlate

donnerstag

Apr 30, 10:56am

Hammond is at TTU and after Spring is QB3 of 5, beat out 2 incumbents.

TexDaddy

May 1, 1:15pm

Has someone charted where BYU runs their plays? Middle of the field seems ...

KCFan85

Apr 30, 10:04am

I commend him for going after the big targets. LaVell had great success with

Dwide_Schrude

Apr 30, 10:05am

I’m fine with that as long as he isn’t neglecting LDS QBs like he is right now

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 10:09am

This level of handwringing

Fido

Apr 30, 10:23am

Opinion: Unless A-rod shows a "massive" turn around at OC this yr, fire him.

BleedCougarBlue2

Apr 30, 11:03am

Who needs Yewts?

MadHawaiian

Apr 30, 11:04am

Fair point, but he definitely should have gone after Isaac Wilson

Hill4Heisman

Apr 30, 11:10am

I would blame Kalani before Arod. Chow, Anae, Doman, Detmer...we eat our own.

Parker Schnabel

Apr 30, 11:14am

Who did he miss on that lit it up already somewhere else?

Thrill

Apr 30, 11:31am

Jaxson Dart

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 11:33am

As expected.

Parker Schnabel

Apr 30, 12:58pm

On this happy note let us ignore Zach Wilson and Jaron Hall...

BYUFootballRocks1

Apr 30, 11:40am

Neither of whom were recruited by Arod…

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 12:20pm

That’s a lazy argument by cougarboard

I'mBatman

Apr 30, 7:56pm

Hand ringers

Beetdiggercoug

Apr 30, 11:46am

What about Enoch Watson?

2FarGone

Apr 30, 12:45pm

BYU is his only offer so he isn’t a great get until he shows

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 12:51pm

Conover had tons of offers. How did that work out for us?

2FarGone

Apr 30, 1:04pm

Thats why you try to sign more than one good recruit in your 6 years as OC

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 1:18pm

This post is a disaster.

ghettomagic

Apr 30, 1:11pm

What you are saying only reinforces my point: Arod’s qb recruiting is horrible

CaliforniaCougar22

Apr 30, 1:17pm

Utah got Isaac Because They Recruited Him Better Than BYU

ghettomagic

Apr 30, 1:29pm

I doubt that BYU could have gotten Isaac. Heck, his dad played at the U. The

84 natlchamps

Apr 30, 6:28pm

Isaac Wilson would transfer if they didn’t make him the backup, that’s the

palangi

Apr 30, 6:43pm

Mostly agree, but Isaac Wilson, come on?

lilpenny

Apr 30, 1:44pm

BYU could have come out guns a blazin' recruiting Isaac and Isaac would have

84 natlchamps

Apr 30, 6:35pm

Corrections: 1)Several issues with the claims that Will Hammond wanted byu all

ColonelMustard

Apr 30, 2:34pm

Dylan Dunn is going to be great!!!

The Natural

Apr 30, 3:32pm

This post will probably be triggering to the doomsdayers. You're welcome to skip

MaxxPower

Apr 30, 5:07pm

Well he’s going to crash and burn this year

runningryan

Apr 30, 8:04pm

Recruiting's a guessing game. Our top-rated QB recruits (Jake Heaps, Ben Olson,

TrueBlue58

Apr 30, 9:27pm

RE: Aaron Roderick’s failure at recruiting QBs is a disaster

TexDaddy

May 1, 12:54pm

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