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Nov 20, 2014
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CoopDizz
It's an argument built on hot air and nothing more - faulty as all get out
And by the time Chow became the OC, BYU was at a much better place than it is now, so that appeal falls flat, too.
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So, at what point is it Bronco's fault BYU is not excelling?
lawboy
11/20/14 1:57pm
Many never will question Bronco. They'll blame BYU for being BYU.
Grit for Brains
11/20/14 2:01pm
I often get that label, even though I do think he is responsible for some of it
binghammer
11/20/14 2:04pm
He should not get fired after this year, but
lawboy
11/20/14 2:13pm
I just look at the point he had all of his recruits and his coaches...
kotacoug
11/20/14 2:01pm
As a coach...
Heinz57
11/20/14 2:01pm
I think Bronco has done a good job of playing the chess game and...
icecougar
11/20/14 8:24pm
I want to know what people think changed from 2009 to 2010 with Bronco
binghammer
11/20/14 2:03pm
Defense is giving it a run for its money this year
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:05pm
I think we could have been 10-0 potentially if Taysom were 100%
binghammer
11/20/14 2:07pm
Same goes for a D with Ziggy, KVN, Kav, and Tree
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:08pm
Yeah, add in 4 guys who were either captains or PRO's on D, sure
binghammer
11/20/14 2:10pm
What does that have to do with the OP?
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:20pm
I disagree, I think it is everything
binghammer
11/20/14 2:23pm
That's not even a response to what I said
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:24pm
I didn't read your entire post. Just the second line.
binghammer
11/20/14 2:29pm
Boise St scored 55 pts
icecougar
11/20/14 9:24pm
Buck stops with the Bronco
Heinz57
11/20/14 2:07pm
I agree, but only because he is the only one the admin has any control over
binghammer
11/20/14 2:08pm
We are talking football, not administrative
Heinz57
11/20/14 2:12pm
I agree, I just don't think a head coach has as much control over the team
binghammer
11/20/14 2:13pm
If that is the case...
Heinz57
11/20/14 2:15pm
lol, no, don't try and change the subject
binghammer
11/20/14 2:26pm
What's the subject...
Smoke Monster
11/20/14 2:37pm
Fine with 500k...
Heinz57
11/20/14 3:07pm
No, that 25% counts for 25%, it can be a big difference
binghammer
11/20/14 3:32pm
LOL... but 25% is still 25%...
Smoke Monster
11/20/14 3:41pm
I didn't...
Heinz57
11/20/14 3:06pm
It has been 5 years of mediocre results. Next year is likely another 6-8 win
Mikey
11/20/14 2:21pm
I wouldn't call the last 5 years mediocre, even this year BYU is rated in the
binghammer
11/20/14 2:28pm
Well, obviously we have different standards, which is why we have a different
Mikey
11/20/14 2:35pm
Based upon program expectations set by Bronco himself, they're mediocre
lawboy
11/20/14 2:47pm
The fact that we are having this conversation over the record we have this year
binghammer
11/20/14 3:33pm
And with that is also...
Heinz57
11/20/14 4:38pm
I choose "dump"
Mikey
11/20/14 4:40pm
This is why Bronco will be safe here for a long while...because long term
sundance
11/20/14 5:39pm
This is incorrect. Bronco has taken extreme heat this season, and so has the
CalGTR
11/20/14 5:48pm
and don't continually repeat the same mistakes over and over...
icecougar
11/20/14 9:28pm
2010 is when Bronco and crew decided to go with a two QB system that is still
wabluecoug
11/20/14 2:07pm
Recruiting
lawboy
11/20/14 2:07pm
I don't agree, I think recruiting has been pretty good
binghammer
11/20/14 2:12pm
Recruiting has been fine everywhere except the lines
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:23pm
Whitt has had a similar problem recruiting and developing the QB position...
icecougar
11/20/14 9:20pm
Go sit at the Wilk for an hour and think about what you just wrote. Just look at
ToasterChive
11/20/14 2:05pm
it's ALWAYS up to the millionaire in the mix to take charge, to take
Tsisquan
11/20/14 2:15pm
Are we really arguing over who is responsible for the performance of the team?
CalGTR
11/20/14 2:30pm
The discussion is a bit more nuanced.
lawboy
11/20/14 2:38pm
Ah, but that's not what you asked. You've now exposed your agenda.
CalGTR
11/20/14 2:59pm
First off, I have no agenda.
lawboy
11/20/14 3:54pm
Well, you said a lot of things, didn't you? Notice that the question you posted,
CalGTR
11/20/14 5:03pm
You're being obtuse
lawboy
11/20/14 6:47pm
Not being obtuse, I just don't accept the underlying premise of your question.
CalGTR
11/20/14 11:26pm
Wow, you sure read a lot between the lines and I would argue
sah22
11/20/14 9:02pm
I think we have two attorneys duking it out on CB. Go Lawboy!
BYUTE59
11/20/14 7:26pm
Martzens recruiting success one of the few bright spots the past couple of year
Bonoman
11/20/14 2:49pm
You can blame Bronco for
CasualFan
11/20/14 2:39pm
Where were Doug Scovil and Norm Chow OCs before they got the BYU job?
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:45pm
What was BYU when those guys were hired?
CasualFan
11/20/14 2:47pm
It's an argument built on hot air and nothing more - faulty as all get out
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:48pm
Chow was also a long-time QB coach
CasualFan
11/20/14 2:52pm
I'm saying BYU should hire the best guy for the job
CoopDizz
11/20/14 2:56pm
Ok. perhaps I should be more clear
CasualFan
11/20/14 2:58pm
You definitely want someone who has shown in some way that he can handle it
CoopDizz
11/20/14 3:18pm
right. Example: Anae vs Doman
icecougar
11/21/14 2:08pm
Scovil started coaching in the early 50's and coached in the NFL before BYU...
icecougar
11/20/14 9:40pm
Read all the way to the end of the conversation before you respond
CoopDizz
11/21/14 8:04am
yes, it's confusing...
icecougar
11/21/14 2:26pm
It's hard to credit Bronco for Taysom Hill when even he admits he fell to BYU.
Mantis Mutu
11/20/14 2:47pm
Yeah, but he didn't fall to Utah or UCLA or
CasualFan
11/20/14 2:50pm
After a 2 yr mish, I'm not sure he was high enough on anyone's radar
Mantis Mutu
11/20/14 2:56pm
Did he come because it was BYU, or because of Bronco
HawkeyeCoug
11/20/14 3:29pm
likely because it was BYU, same as with Harvey Langi...
icecougar
11/20/14 9:42pm
Bronco is failing at developing and preparing the team IMO
Jeffe
11/20/14 3:48pm
Guessing with next years schedule ....
bluegato
11/20/14 4:25pm
we'll never know...
icecougar
11/20/14 9:44pm
At a minimum, when his team's consisted of his own recruits.
Real Men Wear Blue
11/20/14 4:54pm
RE: 8-4 against last year's schedule was respectable. If Bronco is so bad, in
Coogar2
11/20/14 6:14pm
If things really go south like they did when Crowton was HC
CougarsFanSince80s
11/20/14 10:20pm
sorry this post was meant to be in reply to the original poster
CougarsFanSince80s
11/20/14 10:33pm
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