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Feb 8, 2016
2:21:47pm

run26 All-American

let me ask you: has BYU been honest about this issue?

instead of making a general assessment of whether or not we can trust BYU leadership (that's a trap since the board consists of apostles, etc.) let's keep it specific to the issue in question: why does BYU prohibit the sale of caffeinated drinks on HBYU campus and have they ever stated a truthful reason?

note: this assumes you do NOT believe in the "no demand" statement

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I’m irrationally mad at BYU / leadership right now. Or maybe it is rational. But seriously, quit lying to us.

Ragnar Danneskjold On work release.

2/8/16 1:29pm

Think like BYU (and NOT like the rest of the world). BYU is NOT going to

ByuMba90

2/8/16 1:32pm

BYU--no caffeine, but always ready to sell us our sugar fix. They should just...

Otara

2/8/16 3:11pm

I pretty much agree with this. The BruceRMcConkie generation has not fully

ByuMba90

2/8/16 3:27pm

Yes, the sugar in non-diet cola is much worse for you than the caffeine, it...

k2coug

2/8/16 9:44pm

Really? Where was that stated?

run26

2/8/16 10:54pm

Delayed reaction much? Tomorrow will we read a post

gwalker

2/8/16 1:32pm

How is an ongoing issue a delayed reaction?

2/8/16 1:33pm

Did BYU make a recent announcement or statement?

gwalker

2/8/16 1:33pm

For the record, I'm pro caffeine on campus.

gwalker

2/8/16 1:33pm

Your reaction time is really slow

KingDave

2/8/16 1:33pm

Caffeine should help with that

Tsisquan

2/8/16 2:41pm

people will say that this is no big deal

run26

2/8/16 1:33pm

This is exactly it.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 1:34pm

So what would you have them say?

Tricky

2/8/16 2:01pm

I honestly think they are more worried about the image it will create...

2/8/16 2:04pm

here's what they should say if they are being honest

run26

2/8/16 2:08pm

You can be my spokesman. Carrie is not ready for the job.

HighHorse

2/8/16 1:34pm

I wish they would say "Everyone who drinks caffeine is going to hell."

Caboom

2/8/16 1:36pm

is this a reverse post?

korihor

2/8/16 1:37pm

P.S. you were initially correct with your thought...."irrational".

ByuMba90

2/8/16 1:44pm

It is bad form, especially when they don't back it up with anything.......

Bonoman

2/8/16 1:51pm

They are the same folks that love to say "ticket prices haven't gone up in years

Bert609

2/8/16 1:55pm

They shouldnt slap fees on there and lie about price but otoh byus prices for

2/8/16 2:10pm

This line was thrown out by Samuelson. But he's

soupie

2/8/16 1:56pm

As of this writing, out of 474 who have read your post, you have 11 who have

ByuMba90

2/8/16 2:08pm

So CB th'up and POTD is noted for supporting a cause outside of CB?

AndyDwyer

2/8/16 2:17pm

Nope just one indication of a level of support among BYU fans, many of whom are

ByuMba90

2/8/16 2:44pm

So you really feel there is no demand for caffeinated soda at BYU?

AndyDwyer

2/8/16 2:50pm

If that's what you got out of my responses then I'm so sad for your elementary

ByuMba90

2/8/16 2:55pm

RE: If that's what you got out of my responses then I'm so sad for your

AndyDwyer

2/8/16 3:02pm

That's a terrible indicator, In my marketing class of 700 the professor

califcougar

2/8/16 3:09pm

Like I said, BYU doesn't listen to "surveys" when enough people are buying

ByuMba90

2/8/16 3:31pm

They do surveys quite frequently about their offerings but, yeah

califcougar

2/8/16 4:41pm

That wasn't what you said. You said the response to this specific rant by RD

Dagny Taggert

2/8/16 7:21pm

True, I've responded to several threads and subthreads on this issue this

ByuMba90

2/8/16 7:56pm

I may not be passionate about the cause on February 8, 2016...

Sirrinem

2/8/16 3:45pm

So you don't trust BYU leadership. Just out of curiosity

kcca

2/8/16 2:17pm

Oh, my tuition is many, many years in the past. It's just a plead for integrity at this point.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 2:20pm

let me ask you: has BYU been honest about this issue?

run26

2/8/16 2:21pm

I'm one who does not believe there is no demand. Neither do I believe that BYU

RebelScum

2/8/16 10:10pm

How is Carrie BYU leadership? She is a BYU employee

TNT

2/8/16 2:32pm

Check the Barq's root beer

CBaass

2/8/16 2:38pm

I believe in Utah the bottler does not add caffeine. Elsewhere, it does.

vegasnative

2/8/16 2:42pm

This would actually be a third-party endorsement of the whole "low demand"

2/8/16 4:00pm

Or "you can't sell that on campus unless it is caffeine free" model.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 11:59pm

when Barq's first came out, it had caffeine in Utah.

VACOUGFAN

2/8/16 6:22pm

Agreed. It is about honesty. Don't make a reason up.

macdizzle

2/8/16 3:08pm

I've never thought that statement was a lie. Rather,

rocker

2/8/16 3:33pm

You're delusional if you really think most LDS parents are anti-caffeine

cougarbart

2/8/16 4:35pm

You're an idiot if you really think thats what I said.

rocker

2/8/16 4:38pm

And this really bothers you? Or are you just trying to change their position?

zia cougar

2/8/16 5:10pm

My real complaint is integrity and honesty. I expect it.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 5:28pm

"Integrity" to not spin the answer or to see it in the light most favorable to

zia cougar

2/8/16 5:59pm

What would the rationale be behind not selling?

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 7:03pm

So really your beef is their decision to not sell caffeinated drinks. Maybe

zia cougar

2/8/16 7:26pm

Take what you thought I said and take the opposite.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 7:31pm

George Orwell 1984 ^^^^

run26

2/8/16 7:33pm

Should an institution have to sell something they choose to not sell?

zia cougar

2/8/16 9:29pm

You're asking the wrong questions

run26

2/8/16 9:34pm

And yet you think they have a duty to describe their motives in your terms?

zia cougar

2/8/16 9:44pm

No, but an institution enforcing an honor code should not lie.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/9/16 12:00am

With any decision, you have to do a cost/benefit analysis

2/8/16 7:57pm

Agreed. But I'd probably, and truthfully, say it doesn't align with BYU's culture.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 8:03pm

But publicly stating a different reason doesn't make them liars

2/8/16 8:25pm

It does.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 9:03pm

Boy, you weren't kidding about that whole "irrationally mad" thing

2/8/16 10:21pm

Apparently.

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 11:56pm

All they need to do is rephrase 'no demand' to 'not sufficient demand'

BluebloodOR

2/8/16 5:16pm

A Church leader stated in general conference that caffenated cola was...

k2coug

2/8/16 9:34pm

We got one going to St. Louis !

sundance

2/8/16 9:48pm

I've made the argument that there really is "no demand". Hear me out...

El Jefe

2/8/16 11:03pm

You think that's what miss Jenkins meant by "no demand"?

run26

2/8/16 11:21pm

I can see what your saying, but I still feel let down that BYU skirts the issue with a half-baked story and expects us

Ragnar Danneskjold

2/8/16 11:55pm

Hilarious that people care so much. And now they say it's not the soda it's the

Cochise Cat

2/9/16 8:38am

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