Sex & booze were necessary, but not sufficient, conditions

Apr 13, 2017
4:15:03pm

SurfCoug Starter

Take the out of wedlock sex and booze out of the story, and there is no tragic childhood. Yes, while promiscuity and booze do not necessarily lead to tragic outcomes, almost every tragic outcome has those two (or similar) factors.

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SurfCoug

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There is much irony in the article about Jamal, the honor code, and his uncle

bluefish

4/13/17 2:00pm

Totally agree. Great take.

LosAlcoug

4/13/17 2:04pm

RE: There is much irony in the article about Jamal, the honor code, and his

ManicBlue

4/13/17 2:06pm

Yes. That would be a better story. There are some clues in the article...

bluefish

4/13/17 2:10pm

I'm not sure that most people would agree that a lifestyle of premarital sex and

chilango

4/13/17 2:11pm

Well said.

neboutefan

4/13/17 2:21pm

While it may not be THE factor, it is definitely a contributing factor. Not wise

cougarbob137

4/13/17 2:28pm

What percentage of college kids who drink and engage in premarital sex do you

chilango

4/13/17 2:31pm

What percentage of people who turn out like Neal's father and uncles didn't

cougarbob137

4/13/17 2:44pm

What percentage ate food and breathed air and watched TV?

chilango

4/13/17 5:54pm

Eat, drink and be merry my friend. Good luck to you.

cougarbob137

4/14/17 9:23am

I never had pre-marital sex, nor have I ever drunk alcohol. This has nothing to

chilango

4/14/17 9:28am

I'm focusing on minority communities like Jamal's. The stats don't lie...

bluefish

4/13/17 6:28pm

So is it the alcohol and premarital sex, or are there other factors that might

chilango

4/13/17 6:45pm

You're either being intentionally obtuse or you don't get it.

MormonThug

4/13/17 8:41pm

Or more likely, you just never read the OP that I was responding to,

chilango

4/13/17 9:07pm

Still think you're straining a little hard on this one

MormonThug

4/13/17 9:12pm

RE: So is it the alcohol and premarital sex, or are there other factors that

here's to hoping

4/13/17 9:38pm

Definitely was not arguing that it's race. That's pretty much the opposite of

chilango

4/13/17 11:33pm

RE: Definitely was not arguing that it's race. That's pretty much the opposite

here's to hoping

4/14/17 2:57pm

I don't think he is arguing the contribution of these factors as much as the

StalwartBraveTrue

4/14/17 5:09pm

You raise good points, to which there are answers

SurfCoug

4/13/17 9:43pm

Actually government welfare benefits are a big factor in the AA community...

bluefish

4/14/17 11:34am

Premarital sex leads to fatherless homes... plenty of studies out there that

Unibro

4/13/17 2:32pm

RE: Premarital sex leads to fatherless homes... plenty of studies out there that

chilango

4/13/17 2:34pm

What percentage of college kids having premarital sex leave illegitimate

jvquarterback

4/13/17 3:56pm

Less than 1%, I would guess. Now answer my question, please.

chilango

4/13/17 5:55pm

I'd estimate far closer to ten percent.

jvquarterback

4/14/17 1:10am

Just because most people can engage in premarital sex and drinking

Bgash

4/13/17 3:59pm

I agree that criticizing them is absurd, but I haven't seen any such criticism -

chilango

4/13/17 6:16pm

maybe criticize is a stronger word than is deserved

Bgash

4/13/17 6:36pm

Sex & booze were necessary, but not sufficient, conditions

SurfCoug

4/13/17 4:15pm

So you believe that without alcohol and premarital sex, there would be no child

chilango

4/13/17 6:09pm

The incident of child abuse and serious neglect is far, far less

SurfCoug

4/13/17 9:36pm

I thumbs upped both you and the OP. Both make great points

cajuncoug

4/13/17 10:13pm

Hate to break it to you, but every major world religion

Bostonblue

4/14/17 2:00am

Who said anything about alcohol abuse? We're talking about drinking, which most

chilango

4/14/17 7:07am

Bottom line is this: if you don't think drinking and premarital sex contributed

Bostonblue

4/14/17 10:34am

No, I never said they didn't contribute. They probably did. But they are a

chilango

4/14/17 1:38pm

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Bostonblue

4/14/17 6:12pm

Obviously not everyone who has premarital sex or drinks gets into trouble.

Bostonblue

4/14/17 6:14pm

I don't think you understand what the author is mocking. He's mocking the fact

chilango

4/14/17 6:33pm

*tenants

blueaussie

4/13/17 2:15pm

I appreciated the snippet from Reno, basically explaining that the HC can really

Unibro

4/13/17 2:21pm

The biggest takeaway for me after reading a story like that

HBCoug

4/13/17 2:22pm

Jamaal is one of my favorite BYU players ever ... great young man and

ManicBlue

4/13/17 2:35pm

I didn't take that he glamorizes that type of lifestyle

braddahmike

4/13/17 2:28pm

I think plenty of the author's morals were infused into that story

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 2:54pm

Are we just looking for our own morals to be reflected in these stories?

braddahmike

4/13/17 3:28pm

I am simply saying that the author's morals/worldview are clearly infused

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 4:10pm

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nc-puma

4/13/17 2:33pm

EXCELLENT post, blue!

Fervent Cougar

4/13/17 2:38pm

Very nicely written!

buckowens

4/13/17 2:47pm

the part I found weird was how Jamaal had issues with people staring at him on campus. It didn't mention how

HarlemCoug

4/13/17 3:07pm

Yeah, most of us thought that I'm sure. I even wonder how much of that

mantis mutu

4/13/17 3:28pm

I got stared at every day of my life as a missionary in SE Asia

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 3:30pm

Me too. I was a 6'5" missionary in Hong Kong. It didn't really bother me though

bluefish

4/13/17 6:32pm

Nope, they don't.

Lip Gallagher

4/13/17 3:41pm

this is funny. Most students at byu are either from a part of the country

nc-puma

4/13/17 3:44pm

I was a racial minority at my high school, and I swear half of my fellow BYU students were from California

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 4:13pm

The fact that you think it doesn't exist is funnier.

Lip Gallagher

4/13/17 4:16pm

Not saying it doesn't exist, just think it's sometimes overblown because

nc-puma

4/13/17 5:11pm

Easy to say when you're probably one of the white guys doing the staring.

Lip Gallagher

4/13/17 5:29pm

i mostly agree.. you could argue both ways and find examples that

nc-puma

4/13/17 6:10pm

RE: Easy to say when you're probably one of the white guys doing the staring.

moabmax

4/24/17 10:55am

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Abe Froman

4/13/17 6:01pm

Mea Culpa: I'll admit when I've seen a tall, buff, black dude on campus

StalwartBraveTrue

4/13/17 6:56pm

Well said, bro. Uncle Neal's take on the good side of his Mormon faith woulda

mantis mutu

4/13/17 3:18pm

Elder Christofferson would be proud. "Not enough to practice what we preach...

BamaCoug

4/13/17 3:49pm

I didn't take it that way at all, more ham fisted attempt at

MatthiasG

4/13/17 4:14pm

I agree it may not have been intentional. But it does mock the standards.

bluefish

4/13/17 6:21pm

Again, it shows ignorance IMO, not maliciousness. And the defense &offerinexpl

MatthiasG

4/16/17 8:10am

Here here

LifelongAP

4/13/17 6:58pm

Jamaal

GeauxCougs

4/13/17 7:02pm

Well said. U only have 2 watch cnn to know logic isn't a requisite 4 journalism

zerome4sooners

4/24/17 5:49am

I partially agree with you, but also feel like you are oversimplifying it.

Adrielle

4/24/17 6:55am

One of the best posts I've ever read on CB! Well done! POTD!

lbmango

4/24/17 8:59am

Good point and thanks for your take on it

D.T. Survivor

4/24/17 9:58am

I do not divine that at all. It seems it is merely part of the story.

Archaea

4/26/17 6:12pm

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