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Abe Froman

Previous username: Rise and Shout
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Joined: Nov 19, 2006
Last login: May 5, 2024
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There is much irony in the article about Jamal, the honor code, and his uncle

bluefish

4/13/17 2:00pm

Totally agree. Great take.

LosAlcoug

4/13/17 2:04pm

RE: There is much irony in the article about Jamal, the honor code, and his

ManicBlue

4/13/17 2:06pm

Yes. That would be a better story. There are some clues in the article...

bluefish

4/13/17 2:10pm

I'm not sure that most people would agree that a lifestyle of premarital sex and

chilango

4/13/17 2:11pm

Well said.

neboutefan

4/13/17 2:21pm

While it may not be THE factor, it is definitely a contributing factor. Not wise

cougarbob137

4/13/17 2:28pm

What percentage of college kids who drink and engage in premarital sex do you

chilango

4/13/17 2:31pm

What percentage of people who turn out like Neal's father and uncles didn't

cougarbob137

4/13/17 2:44pm

What percentage ate food and breathed air and watched TV?

chilango

4/13/17 5:54pm

Eat, drink and be merry my friend. Good luck to you.

cougarbob137

4/14/17 9:23am

I never had pre-marital sex, nor have I ever drunk alcohol. This has nothing to

chilango

4/14/17 9:28am

I'm focusing on minority communities like Jamal's. The stats don't lie...

bluefish

4/13/17 6:28pm

So is it the alcohol and premarital sex, or are there other factors that might

chilango

4/13/17 6:45pm

You're either being intentionally obtuse or you don't get it.

MormonThug

4/13/17 8:41pm

Or more likely, you just never read the OP that I was responding to,

chilango

4/13/17 9:07pm

Still think you're straining a little hard on this one

MormonThug

4/13/17 9:12pm

RE: So is it the alcohol and premarital sex, or are there other factors that

here's to hoping

4/13/17 9:38pm

Definitely was not arguing that it's race. That's pretty much the opposite of

chilango

4/13/17 11:33pm

RE: Definitely was not arguing that it's race. That's pretty much the opposite

here's to hoping

4/14/17 2:57pm

I don't think he is arguing the contribution of these factors as much as the

StalwartBraveTrue

4/14/17 5:09pm

You raise good points, to which there are answers

SurfCoug

4/13/17 9:43pm

Actually government welfare benefits are a big factor in the AA community...

bluefish

4/14/17 11:34am

Premarital sex leads to fatherless homes... plenty of studies out there that

Unibro

4/13/17 2:32pm

RE: Premarital sex leads to fatherless homes... plenty of studies out there that

chilango

4/13/17 2:34pm

What percentage of college kids having premarital sex leave illegitimate

jvquarterback

4/13/17 3:56pm

Less than 1%, I would guess. Now answer my question, please.

chilango

4/13/17 5:55pm

I'd estimate far closer to ten percent.

jvquarterback

4/14/17 1:10am

Just because most people can engage in premarital sex and drinking

Bgash

4/13/17 3:59pm

I agree that criticizing them is absurd, but I haven't seen any such criticism -

chilango

4/13/17 6:16pm

maybe criticize is a stronger word than is deserved

Bgash

4/13/17 6:36pm

Sex & booze were necessary, but not sufficient, conditions

SurfCoug

4/13/17 4:15pm

So you believe that without alcohol and premarital sex, there would be no child

chilango

4/13/17 6:09pm

The incident of child abuse and serious neglect is far, far less

SurfCoug

4/13/17 9:36pm

I thumbs upped both you and the OP. Both make great points

cajuncoug

4/13/17 10:13pm

Hate to break it to you, but every major world religion

Bostonblue

4/14/17 2:00am

Who said anything about alcohol abuse? We're talking about drinking, which most

chilango

4/14/17 7:07am

Bottom line is this: if you don't think drinking and premarital sex contributed

Bostonblue

4/14/17 10:34am

No, I never said they didn't contribute. They probably did. But they are a

chilango

4/14/17 1:38pm

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Bostonblue

4/14/17 6:12pm

Obviously not everyone who has premarital sex or drinks gets into trouble.

Bostonblue

4/14/17 6:14pm

I don't think you understand what the author is mocking. He's mocking the fact

chilango

4/14/17 6:33pm

*tenants

blueaussie

4/13/17 2:15pm

I appreciated the snippet from Reno, basically explaining that the HC can really

Unibro

4/13/17 2:21pm

The biggest takeaway for me after reading a story like that

HBCoug

4/13/17 2:22pm

Jamaal is one of my favorite BYU players ever ... great young man and

ManicBlue

4/13/17 2:35pm

I didn't take that he glamorizes that type of lifestyle

braddahmike

4/13/17 2:28pm

I think plenty of the author's morals were infused into that story

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 2:54pm

Are we just looking for our own morals to be reflected in these stories?

braddahmike

4/13/17 3:28pm

I am simply saying that the author's morals/worldview are clearly infused

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 4:10pm

clickbait sells

nc-puma

4/13/17 2:33pm

EXCELLENT post, blue!

Fervent Cougar

4/13/17 2:38pm

Very nicely written!

buckowens

4/13/17 2:47pm

the part I found weird was how Jamaal had issues with people staring at him on campus. It didn't mention how

HarlemCoug

4/13/17 3:07pm

Yeah, most of us thought that I'm sure. I even wonder how much of that

mantis mutu

4/13/17 3:28pm

I got stared at every day of my life as a missionary in SE Asia

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 3:30pm

Me too. I was a 6'5" missionary in Hong Kong. It didn't really bother me though

bluefish

4/13/17 6:32pm

Nope, they don't.

Lip Gallagher

4/13/17 3:41pm

this is funny. Most students at byu are either from a part of the country

nc-puma

4/13/17 3:44pm

I was a racial minority at my high school, and I swear half of my fellow BYU students were from California

SingleStrapBackpack

4/13/17 4:13pm

The fact that you think it doesn't exist is funnier.

Lip Gallagher

4/13/17 4:16pm

Not saying it doesn't exist, just think it's sometimes overblown because

nc-puma

4/13/17 5:11pm

Easy to say when you're probably one of the white guys doing the staring.

Lip Gallagher

4/13/17 5:29pm

i mostly agree.. you could argue both ways and find examples that

nc-puma

4/13/17 6:10pm

RE: Easy to say when you're probably one of the white guys doing the staring.

moabmax

4/24/17 10:55am

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Abe Froman

4/13/17 6:01pm

Mea Culpa: I'll admit when I've seen a tall, buff, black dude on campus

StalwartBraveTrue

4/13/17 6:56pm

Well said, bro. Uncle Neal's take on the good side of his Mormon faith woulda

mantis mutu

4/13/17 3:18pm

Elder Christofferson would be proud. "Not enough to practice what we preach...

BamaCoug

4/13/17 3:49pm

I didn't take it that way at all, more ham fisted attempt at

MatthiasG

4/13/17 4:14pm

I agree it may not have been intentional. But it does mock the standards.

bluefish

4/13/17 6:21pm

Again, it shows ignorance IMO, not maliciousness. And the defense &offerinexpl

MatthiasG

4/16/17 8:10am

Here here

LifelongAP

4/13/17 6:58pm

Jamaal

GeauxCougs

4/13/17 7:02pm

Well said. U only have 2 watch cnn to know logic isn't a requisite 4 journalism

zerome4sooners

4/24/17 5:49am

I partially agree with you, but also feel like you are oversimplifying it.

Adrielle

4/24/17 6:55am

One of the best posts I've ever read on CB! Well done! POTD!

lbmango

4/24/17 8:59am

Good point and thanks for your take on it

D.T. Survivor

4/24/17 9:58am

I do not divine that at all. It seems it is merely part of the story.

Archaea

4/26/17 6:12pm

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