No p5 is coming. Fanbase can't swallow g5. Program dies by 2025

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Sep 13, 2017
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Holmoe and Bronco have both said that independence is not sustainable. If this

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:27am

I think we wait out the next round of TV contract renegotiations. That's our

titlecoug

9/13/17 8:30am

Better get a wrestling program soon

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:22am

We might be in Big12 now if we had kept wrestling. Stealth expansion mode.

BamaCoug

9/13/17 11:50am

If it's stagnating as an independent it's not going to do any better

kotacoug

9/13/17 8:30am

That's a good question actually: would the program do better as indy or G5?

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:33am

Well, we've seen what is in store as an Indy.

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 8:47am

The only positives to Indy are ESPN and their TV deal and for out of state fans

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:04am

Out of state fans would love the AAC for the same reasons they love Independence

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 9:06am

Why does the pro-conference crowd talk up AAC as the choice? It would kill us

CougLuv1

9/13/17 10:49am

We aren't taking buses anywhere. A flight to Houston is longer than a flight to

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 3:25pm

I realize we aren't taking buses, but those on-going cross-country flights

CougLuv1

9/15/17 10:39am

I don't see how crappy bowl games would improve

CougarVeteran

9/13/17 9:33am

There are no positives to G5 conference affiliation

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:34am

Out of state fan here : Hate Independence

CougarinOZ

9/13/17 10:52am

Me too

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 2:46pm

agree

ohiocougar

9/13/17 7:33pm

Out of state fans also like being able to attend games... until Harvey.

TailgateU

9/13/17 4:19pm

G5 teams have to play P5 big games for the money. More desperate> BYU being Indy

Bobmarleyjr

9/13/17 12:20pm

AAC looks very delish right about now. I'd take that. All day.

indojoe

9/13/17 1:40pm

Yes it 100% will.

Dissenter

9/13/17 4:20pm

The AAC is on the way up, much more so than the BIG12.

indojoe

9/13/17 4:31pm

IF the AAC had great teams, the Big 12 would have taken them

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 4:54pm

HALF of the AAC teams have spent time in Top25 in past 2yrs as has Boise. So

NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN

9/14/17 3:48am

You could argue our best years ranking national relevance were during MWC/WAC

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 8:56am

...and if we beat Boise State the rest of the teams on our schedule we are defacto MWC Champs!

Bonoman

9/13/17 10:17am

If we went Indy in the 90s, Utah would not be in the P5

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:38am

We're kidding ourselves if we think being indy is "prestigious."

CougLuv1

9/15/17 10:44am

So much has changed since then

palangi

9/13/17 10:49am

When/if ESPN doesn't renew our contract and other options

Cougar Geek

9/13/17 8:30am

I think the basketball team has hurt the basketball team - not the WCC

Jesse Pinkman

9/13/17 8:32am

HS gyms has hurt perceptions and fan interest is weaker - at least

Iman23

9/13/17 8:35am

Yes, because playing in Wyo or CSU was such a great experience?

Dissenter

9/13/17 9:42am

The playing style of the WCC has been a bad fit for us. Rose and others have

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:37am

Agreed, Jesse!

Fervent Cougar

9/13/17 8:43am

I don't love the WCC, but with the SJWs ready to pounce, it's actually a good

Iman23

9/13/17 8:33am

One thing is for sure: a P5 invite isn't coming

SJS

9/13/17 8:38am

No, ESPN refused to pay for anyone else

2FarGone

9/13/17 8:45am

This was actually what they "discovered" in their public search

2FarGone

9/13/17 8:49am

Well that's a new (and totally incorrect) form of revisionist history.

BamaCoug

9/13/17 11:48am

It's all dependent on the next tv contract.

Kerbouchard

9/13/17 8:38am

No p5 is coming. Fanbase can't swallow g5. Program dies by 2025

johnnycarson

9/13/17 8:39am

Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine today?

2FarGone

9/13/17 8:42am

And Chris Hill is smiling as they're the only show in town

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:12am

We'd go G5 even if the fanbase can't swallow it. Program isn't going anywhere.

rggee

9/13/17 9:16am

but when fans don't care, and they wouldn't, we'd be like weber state eventually

johnnycarson

9/13/17 9:24am

Weber State? lol nah - Utah State at worst

rggee

9/13/17 9:25am

its really hard for a fanbase to accept a step down when utah is living the high

johnnycarson

9/13/17 9:32am

That's a pretty fickle fanbase, then. I definitely will continue to get season

rggee

9/13/17 9:33am

not really fickle. its hard to support a team, take a bunch of saturdays and

johnnycarson

9/13/17 9:39am

I'd say most football teams have zero national relevance, but they still make $$

rggee

9/13/17 11:11am

BYU is still top 30 football attendance, top 20 basketball attendance

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:12am

Fanbase can't swallow G5 = Utah based fans are jealous and prideful.

CougarinOZ

9/13/17 10:54am

Ridiculous. Again, so many around here fail to notice just how strong this program is. Fan base size alone means

CalGTR

9/13/17 10:59am

^ This ^

rggee

9/13/17 11:12am

Exactly. Well said

MaxxPower

9/13/17 7:59pm

You have to take the statement in context. The context is competing with P5 schools as an independent is not sustainable

Rhino84

9/13/17 8:43am

Our entire football program was built by sitting at a little kids table.

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 8:51am

Depends who you define as the "Big Boys". We are taken much more seriously year in and year out than the bottom half

Rhino84

9/13/17 9:00am

Sure, but that comes from winning, not conference affiliation. That reputation

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 9:02am

If games like LSU teach us anything, it's that we can't compete with P5 schools.

OpusX

9/13/17 9:00am

No. It teaches us that we can't compete with elite schools.

boscatar

9/13/17 9:16am

I like your use of the term "P5-like school". P5-like means you're not P5.

OpusX

9/13/17 9:25am

P5 refers to schools who are part of the autonomy governance structure

boscatar

9/13/17 9:37am

BYU 82, Utah 18

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 9:16am

Eh. I think LSU shows us we are never going undefeated as an independent.

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 9:24am

You're absolutely right about changing BYU as an institution.

OpusX

9/13/17 9:30am

Or possibly that we DIDN'T compete with that particular P5 school, and that

TheDash

9/14/17 11:44am

I think many fans realize the politics are such that a P5 invite is impossible.

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:14am

And if IIRC he said it was unsustainable indefinitely.

Everyman

9/13/17 9:47am

Yet the UU keeps getting subsidized

HawkeyeCoug

9/13/17 10:16am

And the lawmakers are content with that arragement.

Everyman

9/13/17 12:37pm

Why isn't it sustainable? If the answer is $$, then move to G5 not better.

CosmoK

9/13/17 8:45am

Ask Tom.

Run-DMT

9/13/17 8:46am

Tom needs to be asked point blank if Indy is sustainable long term and if he

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:10am

I don't think the drop off in revenue to the AAC would be that dramatic.

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 9:00am

You are kidding yourself

CougarVeteran

9/13/17 10:06am

Revenues have been going up for everyone in the country. TV deals, ticket prices

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 3:30pm

Also the Stigma of being in a G5 conference. BYU has a better brand independent

Bobmarleyjr

9/13/17 3:38pm

There are many G5 schools, including UCONN, Cinci, Boise, etc that have the "P5"

Junior Deputy

9/13/17 3:40pm

Boise might but I haven't seen any AAC with their P5 status

Bobmarleyjr

9/13/17 3:52pm

I give you three years and you focus on the one?

CougarVeteran

9/13/17 5:47pm

I don't think anyone could foresee that we would not get in by now and

Hawk Talons

9/13/17 9:02am

In other words please stop playing Wisconsin and LSU so we can beat up on Rice

Crush4

9/13/17 9:03am

RE: In other words please stop playing Wisconsin and LSU so we can beat up on

footballcougar

9/13/17 9:09am

* Stop playing Wisconsin and LSU in the same season....

boscatar

9/13/17 9:19am

It's what we used to do in the past ignorance is bliss I'd argue that even MWC

franklyvulgar

9/13/17 9:21am

And Boise State, and Utah, and Utah State, and San Jose St., and Mizzou

IrishCooga

9/13/17 9:25am

I know you are being facetious, but you make a good point

ArchbishopMitty

9/13/17 10:07am

Well they must be wrong, because several on CB have said otherwise

IrishCooga

9/13/17 9:17am

The basketball issues are 100% coaching/horrible evaluation of players. Period.

Ash

9/13/17 9:18am

it would help basketball if we were p5.

johnnycarson

9/13/17 9:40am

The expanded AAC would be a power basketball conference - high major

boscatar

9/13/17 9:45am

For the record- when there are a sixteen team super conferences, BYU will get a

RoyalCoug99

9/13/17 9:47am

Where? There won't be 5 16-team conferences.

Dissenter

9/13/17 9:53am

There's a chance that some of the weaker football schools would get cut

Run-DMT

9/13/17 9:57am

And for all objective criteria, the call should be from the Pac16, which would

Run-DMT

9/13/17 9:55am

When has college football ever been symmetrical?

boscatar

9/13/17 10:05am

Yes, if there's a CFB commissioner (Conf Comm/ADs) who decide. If it's Univ Pres

BamaCoug

9/13/17 11:49am

Why 4/16 and not 4/12. 48 teams get more $$$ each.

blackshirts

9/13/17 12:36pm

Hopefully the school is working on subtle HC alterations... Bc no P5 invite is coming w/ current HC language there

crm48

9/13/17 10:26am

As if that one quote is all Tom has ever said on the subject. Bronco, too, has clarified and expanded on BYU's future.

CalGTR

9/13/17 10:52am

We need other schools to go independent...that would do wonders for us

Hill4Heisman

9/13/17 11:23am

Hawaii and SDSU should do it next. They can get P5s and BYU on the schedule.

boscatar

9/13/17 12:48pm

If any G5 could pull off independence, it would be Hawaii

Yllage Vidiot

9/13/17 9:24pm

Don't know about SDSU, but Texas, Boise St, and Hawaii could

Hill4Heisman

9/14/17 10:27am

SDSU could pull off independence. SoCal venue. Especially with BYU and Hawaii

boscatar

9/18/17 1:26pm

Why not? Any reasons aside from quoting a coach that'll be out of a job soon?

zerome4sooners

9/13/17 12:31pm

I disagree. Independence and the WCC has not hurt

Endocoug

9/13/17 3:36pm

These comments are old and had a lot more context.

Katewot

9/13/17 5:32pm

Who is Bronco?

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