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Sep 25, 2017
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TonyStark

Previous username: CougarBroker
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Joined: Nov 6, 2006
Last login: Feb 6, 2020
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I have a fairly well connected booster friend that I recently asked about Indy

kosmokramer

9/25/17 2:40pm

There's a problem right there

TNT

9/25/17 2:41pm

I am not surprised. This is probably true for most universities with football.

SandYFan

9/25/17 2:42pm

BYU is different obviously

TNT

9/25/17 2:43pm

yes but with many of those schools it's the football program that gets what...

icecougar

9/25/17 7:53pm

Been that way forever. Twofold since Crowton

Moab Rising

9/25/17 2:46pm

Oh TNT has understood this for a long time

TNT

9/25/17 2:50pm

Question

runningryan

9/25/17 4:30pm

I know Tom was a big supporter of it initially but...

insidebyu

9/25/17 7:02pm

what stinks is there are almost no options...

icecougar

9/25/17 8:05pm

Limitations on fundraising is troubling

jkccoug

9/25/17 8:32pm

You'd think so, but...

insidebyu

9/26/17 8:18am

In other words...BYU will never be a P5 because of internal restraints

boscatar

9/26/17 5:04pm

In other words, but is on life support as myself and many others have said.

Backcountry

9/25/17 8:43pm

It is too bad they won't allow more donations for sports.

9/25/17 9:28pm

Why are all these posts from trolls?

9/25/17 2:44pm

To which point are you referring?

TNT

9/25/17 2:45pm

That stepping down to a G5 would be anything but a death sentence for BYU.

BYUtka

9/25/17 2:47pm

You mean stepping sideways to a G5

Polecat

9/25/17 3:27pm

It's not sideways

MormonThug

9/25/17 3:54pm

Yes it is

Polecat

9/25/17 5:31pm

That thinking is sideways, but it is a clear downgrade. It isn't even close to

BYUtka

9/25/17 5:38pm

Agreed 100%. G5 is the kiss of death for BYU football.

CougarThug

9/25/17 8:08pm

No, and you know it's not. Indy is much better.

9/25/17 6:08pm

BYU is still a viable need for a G5 conference that they could get...

Coug

9/25/17 9:46pm

Only if by sideways you mean "off a cliff into a dark void." Indy>G5.

BYUtka

9/25/17 4:30pm

You don't believe the "connected booster" has inside info?

cougarnw

9/25/17 3:18pm

Frankly, no.

CougarThug

9/25/17 8:09pm

Definitely not a troll

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:11pm

Suggesting that BYU would benefit from dropping down to G5 is 100% a troll move.

BYUtka

9/25/17 4:18pm

Everything great BYU accomplished was as a member of a lower

kosmokramer

9/25/17 5:04pm

The landscape has changed a lot since then. You cannot ignore that.

BYUtka

9/25/17 5:27pm

It has, but that doesn't make Indy any better.

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:32pm

BYU is in a unique situation compared to other schools. You are ignoring that.

BYUtka

9/25/17 7:12pm

Not true. The BCS and P5 were both designed to exclude non-members

CougarThug

9/25/17 8:24pm

that was also when the conference we were in had Utah

mindzeYe

9/25/17 11:18pm

No, it goes around for people who post obvious lies and nonsense

9/25/17 5:28pm

This is getting SO TIRESOME! There are NO ALTERNATIVES!

DirtyWater

9/25/17 2:46pm

YeS There aRe!

Backcountry

9/25/17 2:49pm

G5 is not a viable alternative. It would kill the program.

BYUtka

9/25/17 2:56pm

We were G5 for 30 years leading up to independence

boscatar

9/25/17 2:58pm

And so was Utah. They are P5 now... THAT is the key difference.

BYUtka

9/25/17 3:01pm

And being Indy doesn't make us P5, just not G5

BYU Fan

9/25/17 3:45pm

Sure, a G5 all star conference would be cool.. but at best that's even with indy

Dissenter

9/25/17 7:47pm

The landscape has changed dramatically. You can't compare our previous

9/25/17 3:03pm

This is true. In the 80s and 90s it didn't matter which conference a bowl

Stalwart Man

9/25/17 7:24pm

Staying indy and faking like we're a quasi P5 isn't doing us any favors either

franklyvulgar

9/25/17 3:35pm

It is hurting us less than dropping to g5 would.

BYUtka

9/25/17 4:27pm

Please stop

DirtyWater

9/25/17 2:56pm

After you stop with all caps and definitive statements.

Backcountry

9/25/17 3:41pm

Good grief. Of course there is

shakarocks

9/25/17 3:01pm

Hmm... I guess USF, Boise, SDSU, Memphis, Houston etc didn't get the memo.

Turbine

9/25/17 3:10pm

Apples to Oranges.

BYUtka

9/25/17 4:28pm

They did get the memo, and they fought to get P5, hard.

Dissenter

9/25/17 7:48pm

According to CB they should be long dead by now and done with football... Odd

Turbine

9/25/17 8:39pm

Not what anyone here is saying.

BYUtka

9/25/17 9:25pm

A death sentence? It's EXACTLY what some people are claiming.

Turbine

9/25/17 10:42pm

And for BYU, it would be. No one said it was for other schools. They are not BYU

BYUtka

9/26/17 12:45am

Of course there is an alternative. That is lazy thinking

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:16pm

This is how people drown in a sinking ship; of course, there are alternatives!

insidebyu

9/25/17 7:05pm

RE: I have a fairly well connected booster friend that I recently asked about Indy

9/25/17 2:46pm

I don't believe him either

kahuna

9/25/17 4:27pm

Nobody would be raising this Indy talk if we were winning

Goliath

9/25/17 2:46pm

Yeah but we're not, and haven't been for 9 years now.

SandYFan

9/25/17 2:47pm

and going G5 will make us win again? How, but diluting our competition?

Archaea

9/25/17 3:14pm

I'm not advocating G5. It's P5 or die./

SandYFan

9/25/17 3:16pm

No.. no. They wouldn't be if Indi were helping the product on the field. Its not

Turbine

9/25/17 3:11pm

Nobody ever said it is. It's about EXPOSURE

Dissenter

9/25/17 7:49pm

Exposure is worthless if not helping on field.

Turbine

9/25/17 8:38pm

I think you are missing the point

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:18pm

G5 won't cure our problem with front-loaded schedules! It'll make it worse.

Stalwart Man

9/25/17 7:27pm

This is what the G5 crowd doesn't get. We'd play the same teams in G5

Dissenter

9/25/17 7:50pm

If that's the case then I doubt we're headed to a conference any time soon

jkccoug

9/25/17 2:47pm

I think you may be right

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:19pm

I don't think anyone really thinks indy is sustainable long term

Baron

9/25/17 2:47pm

It's not. TH has said it isn't.

Mathew

9/25/17 2:51pm

So we're basically saying that non-P5 isn't sustainable long-term. Maybe...

Stalwart Man

9/25/17 7:28pm

I think the newer Indy schedules will help. Better end of season games.

jkccoug

9/25/17 2:51pm

2018 schedule has Boise St. and Utah in November...

boscatar

9/25/17 2:57pm

Sounds legit

jaromp

9/25/17 2:54pm

Was Bronco filling up with premium or regular?

boscatar

9/25/17 2:56pm

It was a private booster meeting.

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:07pm

At the end of the day, sports are about entertainment

Ulysses14

9/25/17 2:56pm

Lies! Football is life

TNT

9/25/17 2:59pm

I thought pinball was life? Is TNT living a dual life? I smell a dupe account!

TheWanderer

9/25/17 3:26pm

Indy is sustainable for football as long as ESPN pays BYU fairly for its home games.

9/25/17 2:57pm

And it is certainly more sustainable than dropping down to G5.

BYUtka

9/25/17 3:04pm

I see G5 is more of a side step than down step I think Indy is overrated

franklyvulgar

9/25/17 3:46pm

How is it not a down step? It is a negative tragectory. It moves us backward.

BYUtka

9/25/17 3:48pm

Indy was a temporary landing spot until the P5 happened it appears that door is

franklyvulgar

9/25/17 4:00pm

How is it a downstep?

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:12pm

Ok, now I am convinced you are just trolling.

BYUtka

9/25/17 4:31pm

Do you think we'd have 10 games a year on national TV in a G5??

Stalwart Man

9/25/17 7:30pm

See definitions 2 & 3 in the link below.

Refugee

9/25/17 3:21pm

My meeting with Bronco is 100% fact

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:10pm

Didn't say your meeting wasn't legit. Read the definitions again.

Refugee

9/25/17 4:32pm

fair enough, I guess most anything shared on here meets the definition of

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:35pm

If we joined a G5, wouldn't we have to pay a lot of money to break future game

ordinatuer

9/25/17 3:32pm

No facts huh about why Holmoe would want to go G5? They can make any schedule

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 3:37pm

I am pretty sure TH would love to not have to be putting together

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:13pm

Not to mention many of the high profile P5 teams refuse to give us a return game

franklyvulgar

9/25/17 4:16pm

P5 need us bc of the ooc P5 requirements & we can't expect to be even Home games

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 4:23pm

Nobody noticed that the P5 quit caring about the OOC requirements.

jrj84105

9/25/17 4:48pm

Nope. They only ignored it for really bad teams that couldn't win

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 8:18pm

The only P5 teams that didn't schedule P5 OOC were the bad teams.

jrj84105

9/26/17 8:45am

Those that want a good OOC game for CFP want to play BYU if best available

Bobmarleyjr

9/26/17 3:07pm

Those same "lackluster" bowls are what the G5 are playing for.

CougarThug

9/25/17 8:32pm

He doesn't even do it. He just approves it & all G5 move schedules for TV & P5

Bobmarleyjr

9/25/17 4:18pm

So if the B12 would have invited us the higher ups would have said no

Oldcougfan

9/25/17 3:51pm

Don't hold your breath

jkccoug

9/25/17 3:54pm

I didn't say that, but I do believe they had reservations.

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:36pm

Here's my solution:

boscatar

9/25/17 3:53pm

I like it.

ordinatuer

9/25/17 3:57pm

That could happen on a smaller scale

runningryan

9/25/17 4:51pm

I could live with that.

HowardH

9/25/17 5:14pm

This would be the best combination for football independence. Would be awesome if it could work

9/25/17 5:26pm

It is a lot like what I suggested years ago...

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:41pm

Sounds like Wac-16, the second coming, but has intriguing possibilities

insidebyu

9/25/17 7:08pm

Is this a personal attack?

TonyStark

9/25/17 3:58pm

Did he say that's why he sucked in recruiting and rivalry games?

Y4LYFE

9/25/17 4:13pm

his recruiting was comparable to LaVell's

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:15pm

saying that current coaches prefer g5 over indy is not true.

HarlemCoug

9/25/17 4:13pm

You may be correct

kosmokramer

9/25/17 4:16pm

TH does not prefer G5 to Indy.

HarlemCoug

9/25/17 4:17pm

Only Yewt trolls prefer BYU is G5 over Indy.

BYUtka

9/25/17 4:45pm

LOL...nothing I hate more than Utes. I just wish we had a better strategy

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:44pm

BYU fans only have one pre-approved opinion? Anyone else is a Ute troll?

insidebyu

9/25/17 7:09pm

Some things are so clealy bad that only a Yewt wanting the demise of BYU could

BYUtka

9/25/17 7:21pm

this narrative is perplexing to me. BM's exit is the most obvious case that this board doesn't agree on important items

HarlemCoug

9/25/17 8:01pm

You mean not everyone on CB ran him out of town with pitchforks, what?!

insidebyu

9/26/17 8:20am

Bronco told me TH was all in trying to get us into a P5 league.

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:47pm

Bronco was adamant that the ONLY way out of independence was to play the best teams possible year in and year out and

Rhino84

9/25/17 4:20pm

Bronco was hopeful at the time that P5 would happen

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:51pm

Revenues aside, a big difference between Indy and affiliation (even G5) has to b

PowerD

9/25/17 4:29pm

Interesting point, never thought about that.

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:52pm

I call bull... mainly because all the other teams ARE in a respectable conferenc

(Private)

9/25/17 4:41pm

I was only referring to football coaches.

kosmokramer

9/25/17 6:54pm

Not true. FB is the cash cow. The BOT "drives" the decisions and always will.

CougarThug

9/25/17 8:30pm

Seems like a business issue/problem. How closely should the university listen to

Pasadena

9/25/17 6:25pm

We were just fine before in the MWC

CougarWildcat

9/25/17 7:17pm

Yep, and nothing in College Football has changed since then.

BYUtka

9/25/17 7:22pm

I was doing just fine when I worked at a tire shop in High School. Fun times but it would be disastrous to my family if

Rhino84

9/25/17 9:27pm

What? Do you not remember the dumpster fire that was "The Mountain"?

delux_247

9/26/17 5:25am

Bronco is in his 2nd year with VIRGINIA, could BYU beat VIRGINIA this year?

FootFAN

9/26/17 7:10am

dumb ? we all know we couldn't

mindzeYe

9/28/17 2:16am

Not so dumb. Just a few weeks ago we KNEW we could. What we didn't know we didn't know...

Refugee

9/28/17 9:38am

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