see above

I would like to welcome the newest member of my club.

TDAWGCOUG

8/21/11 10:13pm

I think it is smart to decline

Rapturemaker

8/22/11 8:16am

I trust bluebrotha

84 Grad

8/21/11 10:15pm

lets all pray he is wrong.

Xamius

8/21/11 10:21pm

That would mean 3 of us are wrong....

TDAWGCOUG

8/21/11 10:24pm

Just like the good scheduling info?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:25pm

Announcements not being made YET doesn't mean the info is

TDAWGCOUG

8/21/11 10:26pm

Even when TH explicitly says it is wrong?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:27pm

What has TH explicitly said was wrong about what I've said

TDAWGCOUG

8/21/11 10:37pm

He did say that most of the internet rumors were wrong.

rainorsnow

8/22/11 12:34am

RE: He did say that most of the internet rumors were wrong.

TDAWGCOUG

8/22/11 7:02am

this is one time I hope you are ;)

Xamius

8/21/11 10:25pm

always good to say "no thanks" to a sinking ship

cosmo8486

8/22/11 8:41pm

I think its more than 3

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:30pm

RE: I think its more than 3

BLU-82

8/22/11 1:22am

Like what?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:24pm

oh, forgot to mention.....

bluebrotha

8/21/11 10:15pm

Series 2b announced with one team or more?

KoogFan

8/21/11 10:23pm

how many series?

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:28pm

I really can't believe BYU would mislead

BYU71

8/21/11 10:16pm

If AFA or UH or similar gets an invite in the near future

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:20pm

I would guess there wouldn't be a full invite, more of a

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:21pm

BYU cant assume they can say yes in a few years

Xamius

8/21/11 10:22pm

Its a risk worth taking

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:26pm

um, no it's not... not even close

Italics

8/22/11 1:49am

I don't think so. The whole landscape will change in the

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:26pm

Haven't seen that evidence yet

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:27pm

You cant also assume the big 12 will be gone

Xamius

8/21/11 10:28pm

The exposure conversation is so misunderstood. Its not just

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:31pm

Exactly

TNT

8/21/11 10:33pm

winning on the highest stage (BIG12/ BCS games)=

Cougarealist

8/21/11 10:36pm

BYU does not = Church, so no I think you misunderstand

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:46pm

but you said its not just about football

Cougarealist

8/21/11 10:49pm

Heavens...Its not about football its about church exposure

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:51pm

so what does your comment have to do with turning down BIG12

Cougarealist

8/21/11 10:52pm

Perhaps you should read the post I was answering.

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:56pm

btw you are so wrong

Cougarealist

8/21/11 10:53pm

Silly argument at best. No comparison.

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:58pm

silly argument?

Cougarealist

8/23/11 8:05am

I don't believe that

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:29pm

Also we don't have a lot of options

kotacoug

8/21/11 10:33pm

I don't buy that. To reach 16, the Pac12 could very well

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:37pm

lol turning down the PAC 16 would be even worse

Xamius

8/21/11 10:42pm

We'll have to disagree on that one. We'd be back in the MWC

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:44pm

If the MWC had those schools, I would welcome the MWC

Xamius

8/21/11 10:46pm

So it isn't really an option then, is it?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:42pm

Well, yes, by every definition I know, it is. It just won't

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:45pm

Exactly ... I honestly don't think an invite has come or a

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:40pm

+1984--you are the only one that

SaintGeorgeYFan

8/21/11 11:32pm

With all that's gone on in just the past year alone, I find

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:35pm

Just remember how cyclical football programs are

kotacoug

8/21/11 10:29pm

As you mention...programs are cyclical...there's always

JamesDean

8/21/11 10:36pm

I don't think it will ever get to an official invite...

barnacle

8/21/11 10:22pm

I don't think a decision to turn down

BYU71

8/21/11 10:24pm

I think your right

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:33pm

Also, would the B12 really keep it a secret too?

rainorsnow

8/21/11 10:32pm

Oh, this will make Zach and his ilk very upset :-)

Hoopster

8/21/11 10:16pm

Thats what seems to be the consesus

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:18pm

I really hope he's mistaken

BlueBlood

8/21/11 10:20pm

Doesn't mean we are stuck here forever.

KoogFan

8/21/11 10:25pm

We've been here for 50+ years.

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:50pm

Exactly. This whole thing really makes me mad, if true.

Italics

8/22/11 1:51am

One big time school series would not compare with Big 12

Xamius

8/21/11 10:20pm

That wouldn't even compare.

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:21pm

That's a little disappointing. I like the espn coverage but

kotacoug

8/21/11 10:20pm

thats what I am worried about

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:23pm

That would be extremely disappointing.

Crush4

8/21/11 10:23pm

I have a reliable source who backs this up 100%

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:23pm

so do football only...

Xamius

8/21/11 10:25pm

If Rose & team make the NCAA's with 5 seeds

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:26pm

why is that the relevant measure?

Xamius

8/21/11 10:28pm

just passing on what I've heard

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:29pm

Never in WCC will we get a 5 seed. Never

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:37pm

Right. A 32-0 BYU team gets a 6 seed.

JAGA97

8/22/11 12:18pm

That's a huge-yewt if

ChopperDave

8/21/11 10:41pm

What does this even mean?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:47pm

If Rose makes it to the Final 4 from the WCC

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:04pm

Really? Who would have thought?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:06pm

Since you know what makes Dave Rose happy

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:16pm

Dude, do you seriously think Rose would be happy about

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:18pm

I don't know how old you are

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:28pm

I'm confused by your logic

cougarfruit

8/22/11 1:46pm

What about good will with Coach Rose?

Crush4

8/21/11 10:26pm

see above

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:27pm

What about the good will with the fans

BYU71

8/21/11 10:29pm

The ESPN bit is a big deal

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:31pm

espn could still get all the BYU games they want

Xamius

8/21/11 10:32pm

not under the current contract with Fox

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:34pm

doesnt espn get first pick?

Xamius

8/21/11 10:35pm

letting Fox have any games (even 2nd tier)

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:40pm

but they could still have as many BYU games

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:41pm

Um since they have 1st tier, they can pick, right?

Xamius

8/21/11 10:42pm

Then why didn't they buy the second tier rights too?

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 10:49pm

The current Big12 arrangement with Fox does not contemplate

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:03pm

You're changing the subject

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:04pm

?? 2nd tier is pretty easy to understand...

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:08pm

You aren't making any sense

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:10pm

Bottom line is whether BYU is willing to currently trade...

BaYoU

8/21/11 11:43pm

That re-negotiation is essentially what BYU wants to have

m4t4d0r

8/22/11 5:54am

Exactly.

BaYoU

8/22/11 8:39am

yes it does

The Shazad

8/21/11 11:07pm

I'm only passing on what I've heard

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:12pm

so it's only ESPN opposing this?

The Shazad

8/21/11 11:20pm

From my source

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 11:34pm

I hope they don't hold us hostage

The Shazad

8/21/11 11:42pm

You want Holmoe to just do what ESPN tells us to do

ALRMCoug

8/22/11 12:55am

Sounds a little bit like Comcast and the mtn. Yikes.

rainorsnow

8/22/11 1:02am

yeah - exactly like Comcast and the mtn

m4t4d0r

8/22/11 5:43am

"a little bit like" and "exactly" are two different things.

rainorsnow

8/22/11 2:56pm

RE: so is espn are pimp

kahuna

8/22/11 2:34am

yes, through 2016

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:40pm

Time will tell, I hope we don't just become a

BYU71

8/21/11 10:33pm

Then let them up the ante.

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:49pm

+1

Crush4

8/21/11 10:32pm

If they are letting friendships and good feelings...

Italics

8/22/11 1:53am

if you're letting your fandom get in the way

bdoggy

8/22/11 7:28am

4/10

Italics

8/22/11 2:30pm

What?...are the WCC folks taking the missionary discussions?

icecougar

8/22/11 8:35pm

i absolutely do not believe this

Cougarealist

8/21/11 10:26pm

TNT only has a few inside sources

TNT

8/21/11 10:27pm

The voices in your head don't count as sources

BYUTenderHeart

8/21/11 10:29pm

How dare you Mark Cuban!

TNT

8/21/11 10:29pm

Held hostage by ESPN, who wants what's good for them

ChopperDave

8/21/11 10:27pm

MWC part II?

Italics

8/22/11 1:57am

One thing that resonates with me in this post

jspj

8/21/11 10:29pm

we wouldnt lose espn in the big 12.

Xamius

8/21/11 10:30pm

People just refuse to get it

SoCalCoug

8/21/11 10:58pm

AMEN

GeoffJ

8/22/11 1:39am

Boise State became what they are by winning

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:31pm

Yes, but BYU won a lot too.

jspj

8/21/11 10:32pm

not compared to Boise

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:33pm

We were not in the WAC

jspj

8/21/11 10:34pm

over the past 5 years, BSU is 8-3 vs ranked teams

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:38pm

Very good point. Bottom line is just win baby

jspj

8/21/11 10:40pm

RE: over the past 5 years, BSU is 8-3 vs ranked teams

BLU-82

8/22/11 12:46am

the difference was more than just luck

The Shazad

8/22/11 7:10am

RE: the difference was more than just luck

BLU-82

8/22/11 6:46pm

We got tons of exposure in the media after beating Oklahoma

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:03pm

RE: We got tons of exposure in the media after beating

BLU-82

8/22/11 2:33am

RE: Boise State became what they are by winning

BLU-82

8/21/11 10:33pm

and where has that gotten Boise St.

BYU71

8/21/11 10:32pm

They clearly recruit well.

jspj

8/21/11 10:33pm

That and recruiting felons.

zia cougar

8/21/11 10:38pm

RE: and where has that gotten Boise St.

BLU-82

8/21/11 10:35pm

Boise going to the MWC is a tough

jspj

8/21/11 10:38pm

That makes no sense at all

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:01pm

Yes it does. Boise got where they are because

jspj

8/22/11 12:36am

How successful have Utah and TCU been?

ALRMCoug

8/22/11 12:56am

And Boise State is in the MWC.... Also...

Italics

8/22/11 1:58am

RE: It's pretty much concluded

BLU-82

8/21/11 10:32pm

This would be pretty hard to swollow. How long have we

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 10:40pm

meant for original post.

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 10:45pm

it would have nothing to do with Utah, its no brainer

Cougarealist

8/21/11 10:42pm

RE: it would have nothing to do with Utah, its no brainer

BLU-82

8/21/11 11:39pm

in other words, the two biggest holdups....

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:32pm

aren't there exit fees now with the MWC?

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:43pm

that was always the worry

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:48pm

Fantastic point

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:47pm

they obviously couldn't know what A&M would do

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:59pm

It was however obvious that Big 12 opportunities would come

ABCoug

8/21/11 11:47pm

Our negotiating power would be much less

bagman

8/22/11 12:23am

Lame, if true.

Zach

8/21/11 10:39pm

Oh man, bluebrotha actually knows stuff.

rainorsnow

8/21/11 10:42pm

Well he was wrong about Air Force

ChopperDave

8/21/11 10:44pm

what happened to the AFA annual matchup?

Xamius

8/21/11 10:45pm

he said the Big 12 teams aren't changing

The Shazad

8/21/11 10:45pm

So Bluebrotha is the reason the WAC thing blew up

Zach

8/21/11 10:45pm

He was also wrong about long term series w/ PAC 10 team

ChopperDave

8/21/11 10:47pm

I know that he missed some details in that post, but

rainorsnow

8/21/11 10:56pm

He told us who his source was

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:19pm

his source is not who he said it was

Italics

8/22/11 2:06am

So his cousin's brother in law knows what TH will do with a

ALRMCoug

8/21/11 11:17pm

If we are to "just back up TH on this"

Trigger

8/21/11 10:44pm

It's pretty much concluded, I am done being a BYU fan then

ABCoug

8/21/11 10:46pm

Good Riddance, Dude

LifeLongLakerFan

8/21/11 10:56pm

Why do we always tell people, good riddance? He shares the

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 11:11pm

I am probably like you

ABCoug

8/21/11 11:36pm

Just calling his bluff . . .

LifeLongLakerFan

8/22/11 12:08am

BYU has an extremely loyal fan base

ABCoug

8/21/11 11:32pm

Ha! Well don't let the door hit ya...

GeoffJ

8/22/11 1:42am

I cant help but feel similar to how you feel

Cougarealist

8/23/11 1:03pm

Can you hear that? yep, there goes the air out of my

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 10:46pm

I don't know how you could say that

Conan O'Fresno

8/21/11 10:48pm

This would be the worst news ever. We aren't ND

lemonjello9

8/21/11 10:52pm

If we have a contract with the WCC that allows us to leave

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 11:03pm

You think you misunderstood my post

Conan O'Fresno

8/21/11 11:43pm

WCC saved us? They did us no favors.

Italics

8/22/11 2:12am

you don't have a clue

BazJordache

8/21/11 10:49pm

Translation:the big 12 is not stable

Blue Oyster Cult

8/21/11 10:49pm

Why not Football only for two years, then transition all

SD-Y-FAN

8/21/11 10:52pm

This kind of tracks with what I'm hearing...

BaYoU

8/21/11 10:52pm

^^ this is good info

m4t4d0r

8/21/11 10:56pm

RE: This kind of tracks with what I'm hearing...

BLU-82

8/21/11 10:58pm

I highly doubt ND would EVER join the Big 12.

SD-Y-FAN

8/21/11 11:02pm

I tend to agree, but ND would be foolish to not be looking

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 11:07pm

That's the generally accepted fact...

BaYoU

8/21/11 11:14pm

Yeah, I believe Texas is or will pull out the red carpet to

OmahaThunderCoug

8/21/11 11:50pm

The aTm issue being discussed though

ABCoug

8/21/11 11:45pm

Houston is commonly discussed down here as...

BaYoU

8/21/11 11:56pm

I know and market penetration isnt as bad as people make out

ABCoug

8/22/11 12:21am

BYU is not Notre Dame

Italics

8/22/11 2:14am

RE: BYU is not Notre Dame

BLU-82

8/22/11 2:30am

1) FIRST Read what I've said 2) THEN Respond 3) Profit!

Italics

8/22/11 5:07am

RE: 1) FIRST Read what I've said 2) THEN Respond 3) Profit!

BLU-82

8/22/11 5:58am

RE: 1) FIRST Read what I've said 2) THEN Respond 3) Profit!

BLU-82

8/22/11 6:06am

so you basically didn't read

Italics

8/22/11 2:31pm

But we are as close...

BaYoU

8/22/11 8:45am

Sorry, I just find this hard to believe

therock

8/22/11 12:05am

Is having your pants on fire uncomfortable?

Florwood

8/22/11 12:13am

So what are YOUR sources telling you? *Waits*

Italics

8/22/11 2:18am

this makes me ill

Hsaru

8/22/11 1:07am

Unfortunately, bluebrotha is a reliable source...

Italics

8/22/11 1:45am

I would trust Dick Harmon over you ANY day

AntiSNOT

8/22/11 1:56am

Hopefully this is the case

Italics

8/22/11 2:22am

RE: if there is an out clause in the contract.

kahuna

8/22/11 3:34am

If BYU turns down a B12 invite

wapiti

8/22/11 7:50am

That is just insane. The men making these decisions

TDAWGCOUG

8/22/11 8:12am

Welcome to Cougarboard where every "fan" knows more

Hoopster

8/22/11 8:21am

+1. Some BYU fans are a joke.

spugeddy24

8/22/11 8:23am

Dido

JamesDean

8/22/11 3:04pm

I hope you are wrong... tragic

RealityCheck

8/22/11 8:33am

RE: I hope you are wrong... tragic

1STIDCOUG

8/22/11 9:39am

Who ever made that commitment needs their head checked.

Bluedomination

8/22/11 10:50am

RE: It's pretty much concluded

Glenrd3

8/22/11 1:26pm

Exactly. I don't see how the WCC commitment would be an

SD-Y-FAN

8/22/11 1:57pm

RE: Exactly. I don't see how the WCC commitment would be an

Glenrd3

8/23/11 12:48pm

All I can do now is pray for patience and hope.

doups3

8/22/11 4:28pm

That is GREAT news!!

Gerald-DeGroot

8/22/11 5:27pm

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