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Aug 21, 2011
11:42
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The Shazad
I hope they don't hold us hostage
and do something that would hurt the school in the long run just so that ESPN can get a short-term advantage over FOX.
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It's pretty much concluded
bluebrotha
8/21/11 10:10pm
I would like to welcome the newest member of my club.
TDAWGCOUG
8/21/11 10:13pm
I think it is smart to decline
Rapturemaker
8/22/11 8:16am
I trust bluebrotha
84 Grad
8/21/11 10:15pm
lets all pray he is wrong.
Xamius
8/21/11 10:21pm
That would mean 3 of us are wrong....
TDAWGCOUG
8/21/11 10:24pm
Just like the good scheduling info?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:25pm
Announcements not being made YET doesn't mean the info is
TDAWGCOUG
8/21/11 10:26pm
Even when TH explicitly says it is wrong?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:27pm
What has TH explicitly said was wrong about what I've said
TDAWGCOUG
8/21/11 10:37pm
He did say that most of the internet rumors were wrong.
rainorsnow
8/22/11 12:34am
RE: He did say that most of the internet rumors were wrong.
TDAWGCOUG
8/22/11 7:02am
this is one time I hope you are ;)
Xamius
8/21/11 10:25pm
always good to say "no thanks" to a sinking ship
cosmo8486
8/22/11 8:41pm
I think its more than 3
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:30pm
RE: I think its more than 3
BLU-82
8/22/11 1:22am
Like what?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:24pm
oh, forgot to mention.....
bluebrotha
8/21/11 10:15pm
Series 2b announced with one team or more?
KoogFan
8/21/11 10:23pm
how many series?
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:28pm
I really can't believe BYU would mislead
BYU71
8/21/11 10:16pm
If AFA or UH or similar gets an invite in the near future
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:20pm
I would guess there wouldn't be a full invite, more of a
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:21pm
BYU cant assume they can say yes in a few years
Xamius
8/21/11 10:22pm
Its a risk worth taking
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:26pm
um, no it's not... not even close
Italics
8/22/11 1:49am
I don't think so. The whole landscape will change in the
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:26pm
Haven't seen that evidence yet
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:27pm
You cant also assume the big 12 will be gone
Xamius
8/21/11 10:28pm
The exposure conversation is so misunderstood. Its not just
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:31pm
Exactly
TNT
8/21/11 10:33pm
winning on the highest stage (BIG12/ BCS games)=
Cougarealist
8/21/11 10:36pm
BYU does not = Church, so no I think you misunderstand
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:46pm
but you said its not just about football
Cougarealist
8/21/11 10:49pm
Heavens...Its not about football its about church exposure
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:51pm
so what does your comment have to do with turning down BIG12
Cougarealist
8/21/11 10:52pm
Perhaps you should read the post I was answering.
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:56pm
btw you are so wrong
Cougarealist
8/21/11 10:53pm
Silly argument at best. No comparison.
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:58pm
silly argument?
Cougarealist
8/23/11 8:05am
I don't believe that
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:29pm
Also we don't have a lot of options
kotacoug
8/21/11 10:33pm
I don't buy that. To reach 16, the Pac12 could very well
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:37pm
lol turning down the PAC 16 would be even worse
Xamius
8/21/11 10:42pm
We'll have to disagree on that one. We'd be back in the MWC
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:44pm
If the MWC had those schools, I would welcome the MWC
Xamius
8/21/11 10:46pm
So it isn't really an option then, is it?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:42pm
Well, yes, by every definition I know, it is. It just won't
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:45pm
Exactly ... I honestly don't think an invite has come or a
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:40pm
+1984--you are the only one that
SaintGeorgeYFan
8/21/11 11:32pm
With all that's gone on in just the past year alone, I find
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:35pm
Just remember how cyclical football programs are
kotacoug
8/21/11 10:29pm
As you mention...programs are cyclical...there's always
JamesDean
8/21/11 10:36pm
I don't think it will ever get to an official invite...
barnacle
8/21/11 10:22pm
I don't think a decision to turn down
BYU71
8/21/11 10:24pm
I think your right
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:33pm
Also, would the B12 really keep it a secret too?
rainorsnow
8/21/11 10:32pm
Oh, this will make Zach and his ilk very upset :-)
Hoopster
8/21/11 10:16pm
Thats what seems to be the consesus
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:18pm
I really hope he's mistaken
BlueBlood
8/21/11 10:20pm
Doesn't mean we are stuck here forever.
KoogFan
8/21/11 10:25pm
We've been here for 50+ years.
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:50pm
Exactly. This whole thing really makes me mad, if true.
Italics
8/22/11 1:51am
One big time school series would not compare with Big 12
Xamius
8/21/11 10:20pm
That wouldn't even compare.
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:21pm
That's a little disappointing. I like the espn coverage but
kotacoug
8/21/11 10:20pm
thats what I am worried about
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:23pm
That would be extremely disappointing.
Crush4
8/21/11 10:23pm
I have a reliable source who backs this up 100%
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:23pm
so do football only...
Xamius
8/21/11 10:25pm
If Rose & team make the NCAA's with 5 seeds
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:26pm
why is that the relevant measure?
Xamius
8/21/11 10:28pm
just passing on what I've heard
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:29pm
Never in WCC will we get a 5 seed. Never
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:37pm
Right. A 32-0 BYU team gets a 6 seed.
JAGA97
8/22/11 12:18pm
That's a huge-yewt if
ChopperDave
8/21/11 10:41pm
What does this even mean?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:47pm
If Rose makes it to the Final 4 from the WCC
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:04pm
Really? Who would have thought?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:06pm
Since you know what makes Dave Rose happy
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:16pm
Dude, do you seriously think Rose would be happy about
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:18pm
I don't know how old you are
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:28pm
I'm confused by your logic
cougarfruit
8/22/11 1:46pm
What about good will with Coach Rose?
Crush4
8/21/11 10:26pm
see above
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:27pm
What about the good will with the fans
BYU71
8/21/11 10:29pm
The ESPN bit is a big deal
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:31pm
espn could still get all the BYU games they want
Xamius
8/21/11 10:32pm
not under the current contract with Fox
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:34pm
doesnt espn get first pick?
Xamius
8/21/11 10:35pm
letting Fox have any games (even 2nd tier)
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:40pm
but they could still have as many BYU games
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:41pm
Um since they have 1st tier, they can pick, right?
Xamius
8/21/11 10:42pm
Then why didn't they buy the second tier rights too?
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 10:49pm
The current Big12 arrangement with Fox does not contemplate
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:03pm
You're changing the subject
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:04pm
?? 2nd tier is pretty easy to understand...
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:08pm
You aren't making any sense
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:10pm
Bottom line is whether BYU is willing to currently trade...
BaYoU
8/21/11 11:43pm
That re-negotiation is essentially what BYU wants to have
m4t4d0r
8/22/11 5:54am
Exactly.
BaYoU
8/22/11 8:39am
yes it does
The Shazad
8/21/11 11:07pm
I'm only passing on what I've heard
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:12pm
so it's only ESPN opposing this?
The Shazad
8/21/11 11:20pm
From my source
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 11:34pm
I hope they don't hold us hostage
The Shazad
8/21/11 11:42pm
You want Holmoe to just do what ESPN tells us to do
ALRMCoug
8/22/11 12:55am
Sounds a little bit like Comcast and the mtn. Yikes.
rainorsnow
8/22/11 1:02am
yeah - exactly like Comcast and the mtn
m4t4d0r
8/22/11 5:43am
"a little bit like" and "exactly" are two different things.
rainorsnow
8/22/11 2:56pm
RE: so is espn are pimp
kahuna
8/22/11 2:34am
yes, through 2016
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:40pm
Time will tell, I hope we don't just become a
BYU71
8/21/11 10:33pm
Then let them up the ante.
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:49pm
+1
Crush4
8/21/11 10:32pm
If they are letting friendships and good feelings...
Italics
8/22/11 1:53am
if you're letting your fandom get in the way
bdoggy
8/22/11 7:28am
4/10
Italics
8/22/11 2:30pm
What?...are the WCC folks taking the missionary discussions?
icecougar
8/22/11 8:35pm
i absolutely do not believe this
Cougarealist
8/21/11 10:26pm
TNT only has a few inside sources
TNT
8/21/11 10:27pm
The voices in your head don't count as sources
BYUTenderHeart
8/21/11 10:29pm
How dare you Mark Cuban!
TNT
8/21/11 10:29pm
Held hostage by ESPN, who wants what's good for them
ChopperDave
8/21/11 10:27pm
MWC part II?
Italics
8/22/11 1:57am
One thing that resonates with me in this post
jspj
8/21/11 10:29pm
we wouldnt lose espn in the big 12.
Xamius
8/21/11 10:30pm
People just refuse to get it
SoCalCoug
8/21/11 10:58pm
AMEN
GeoffJ
8/22/11 1:39am
Boise State became what they are by winning
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:31pm
Yes, but BYU won a lot too.
jspj
8/21/11 10:32pm
not compared to Boise
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:33pm
We were not in the WAC
jspj
8/21/11 10:34pm
over the past 5 years, BSU is 8-3 vs ranked teams
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:38pm
Very good point. Bottom line is just win baby
jspj
8/21/11 10:40pm
RE: over the past 5 years, BSU is 8-3 vs ranked teams
BLU-82
8/22/11 12:46am
the difference was more than just luck
The Shazad
8/22/11 7:10am
RE: the difference was more than just luck
BLU-82
8/22/11 6:46pm
We got tons of exposure in the media after beating Oklahoma
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:03pm
RE: We got tons of exposure in the media after beating
BLU-82
8/22/11 2:33am
RE: Boise State became what they are by winning
BLU-82
8/21/11 10:33pm
and where has that gotten Boise St.
BYU71
8/21/11 10:32pm
They clearly recruit well.
jspj
8/21/11 10:33pm
That and recruiting felons.
zia cougar
8/21/11 10:38pm
RE: and where has that gotten Boise St.
BLU-82
8/21/11 10:35pm
Boise going to the MWC is a tough
jspj
8/21/11 10:38pm
That makes no sense at all
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:01pm
Yes it does. Boise got where they are because
jspj
8/22/11 12:36am
How successful have Utah and TCU been?
ALRMCoug
8/22/11 12:56am
And Boise State is in the MWC.... Also...
Italics
8/22/11 1:58am
RE: It's pretty much concluded
BLU-82
8/21/11 10:32pm
This would be pretty hard to swollow. How long have we
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 10:40pm
meant for original post.
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 10:45pm
it would have nothing to do with Utah, its no brainer
Cougarealist
8/21/11 10:42pm
RE: it would have nothing to do with Utah, its no brainer
BLU-82
8/21/11 11:39pm
in other words, the two biggest holdups....
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:32pm
aren't there exit fees now with the MWC?
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:43pm
that was always the worry
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:48pm
Fantastic point
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:47pm
they obviously couldn't know what A&M would do
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:59pm
It was however obvious that Big 12 opportunities would come
ABCoug
8/21/11 11:47pm
Our negotiating power would be much less
bagman
8/22/11 12:23am
Lame, if true.
Zach
8/21/11 10:39pm
Oh man, bluebrotha actually knows stuff.
rainorsnow
8/21/11 10:42pm
Well he was wrong about Air Force
ChopperDave
8/21/11 10:44pm
what happened to the AFA annual matchup?
Xamius
8/21/11 10:45pm
he said the Big 12 teams aren't changing
The Shazad
8/21/11 10:45pm
So Bluebrotha is the reason the WAC thing blew up
Zach
8/21/11 10:45pm
He was also wrong about long term series w/ PAC 10 team
ChopperDave
8/21/11 10:47pm
I know that he missed some details in that post, but
rainorsnow
8/21/11 10:56pm
He told us who his source was
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:19pm
his source is not who he said it was
Italics
8/22/11 2:06am
So his cousin's brother in law knows what TH will do with a
ALRMCoug
8/21/11 11:17pm
If we are to "just back up TH on this"
Trigger
8/21/11 10:44pm
It's pretty much concluded, I am done being a BYU fan then
ABCoug
8/21/11 10:46pm
Good Riddance, Dude
LifeLongLakerFan
8/21/11 10:56pm
Why do we always tell people, good riddance? He shares the
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 11:11pm
I am probably like you
ABCoug
8/21/11 11:36pm
Just calling his bluff . . .
LifeLongLakerFan
8/22/11 12:08am
BYU has an extremely loyal fan base
ABCoug
8/21/11 11:32pm
Ha! Well don't let the door hit ya...
GeoffJ
8/22/11 1:42am
I cant help but feel similar to how you feel
Cougarealist
8/23/11 1:03pm
Can you hear that? yep, there goes the air out of my
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 10:46pm
I don't know how you could say that
Conan O'Fresno
8/21/11 10:48pm
This would be the worst news ever. We aren't ND
lemonjello9
8/21/11 10:52pm
If we have a contract with the WCC that allows us to leave
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 11:03pm
You think you misunderstood my post
Conan O'Fresno
8/21/11 11:43pm
WCC saved us? They did us no favors.
Italics
8/22/11 2:12am
you don't have a clue
BazJordache
8/21/11 10:49pm
Translation:the big 12 is not stable
Blue Oyster Cult
8/21/11 10:49pm
Why not Football only for two years, then transition all
SD-Y-FAN
8/21/11 10:52pm
This kind of tracks with what I'm hearing...
BaYoU
8/21/11 10:52pm
^^ this is good info
m4t4d0r
8/21/11 10:56pm
RE: This kind of tracks with what I'm hearing...
BLU-82
8/21/11 10:58pm
I highly doubt ND would EVER join the Big 12.
SD-Y-FAN
8/21/11 11:02pm
I tend to agree, but ND would be foolish to not be looking
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 11:07pm
That's the generally accepted fact...
BaYoU
8/21/11 11:14pm
Yeah, I believe Texas is or will pull out the red carpet to
OmahaThunderCoug
8/21/11 11:50pm
The aTm issue being discussed though
ABCoug
8/21/11 11:45pm
Houston is commonly discussed down here as...
BaYoU
8/21/11 11:56pm
I know and market penetration isnt as bad as people make out
ABCoug
8/22/11 12:21am
BYU is not Notre Dame
Italics
8/22/11 2:14am
RE: BYU is not Notre Dame
BLU-82
8/22/11 2:30am
1) FIRST Read what I've said 2) THEN Respond 3) Profit!
Italics
8/22/11 5:07am
RE: 1) FIRST Read what I've said 2) THEN Respond 3) Profit!
BLU-82
8/22/11 5:58am
RE: 1) FIRST Read what I've said 2) THEN Respond 3) Profit!
BLU-82
8/22/11 6:06am
so you basically didn't read
Italics
8/22/11 2:31pm
But we are as close...
BaYoU
8/22/11 8:45am
Sorry, I just find this hard to believe
therock
8/22/11 12:05am
Is having your pants on fire uncomfortable?
Florwood
8/22/11 12:13am
So what are YOUR sources telling you? *Waits*
Italics
8/22/11 2:18am
this makes me ill
Hsaru
8/22/11 1:07am
Unfortunately, bluebrotha is a reliable source...
Italics
8/22/11 1:45am
I would trust Dick Harmon over you ANY day
AntiSNOT
8/22/11 1:56am
Hopefully this is the case
Italics
8/22/11 2:22am
RE: if there is an out clause in the contract.
kahuna
8/22/11 3:34am
If BYU turns down a B12 invite
wapiti
8/22/11 7:50am
That is just insane. The men making these decisions
TDAWGCOUG
8/22/11 8:12am
Welcome to Cougarboard where every "fan" knows more
Hoopster
8/22/11 8:21am
+1. Some BYU fans are a joke.
spugeddy24
8/22/11 8:23am
Dido
JamesDean
8/22/11 3:04pm
I hope you are wrong... tragic
RealityCheck
8/22/11 8:33am
RE: I hope you are wrong... tragic
1STIDCOUG
8/22/11 9:39am
Who ever made that commitment needs their head checked.
Bluedomination
8/22/11 10:50am
RE: It's pretty much concluded
Glenrd3
8/22/11 1:26pm
Exactly. I don't see how the WCC commitment would be an
SD-Y-FAN
8/22/11 1:57pm
RE: Exactly. I don't see how the WCC commitment would be an
Glenrd3
8/23/11 12:48pm
All I can do now is pray for patience and hope.
doups3
8/22/11 4:28pm
That is GREAT news!!
Gerald-DeGroot
8/22/11 5:27pm
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