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CosmoK
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Why isn't it sustainable? If the answer is $$, then move to G5 not better.
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Holmoe and Bronco have both said that independence is not sustainable. If this
Run-DMT
9/13/17 8:27am
I think we wait out the next round of TV contract renegotiations. That's our
titlecoug
9/13/17 8:30am
Better get a wrestling program soon
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 10:22am
We might be in Big12 now if we had kept wrestling. Stealth expansion mode.
BamaCoug
9/13/17 11:50am
If it's stagnating as an independent it's not going to do any better
kotacoug
9/13/17 8:30am
That's a good question actually: would the program do better as indy or G5?
Run-DMT
9/13/17 8:33am
Well, we've seen what is in store as an Indy.
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 8:47am
The only positives to Indy are ESPN and their TV deal and for out of state fans
franklyvulgar
9/13/17 9:04am
Out of state fans would love the AAC for the same reasons they love Independence
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 9:06am
Why does the pro-conference crowd talk up AAC as the choice? It would kill us
CougLuv1
9/13/17 10:49am
We aren't taking buses anywhere. A flight to Houston is longer than a flight to
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 3:25pm
I realize we aren't taking buses, but those on-going cross-country flights
CougLuv1
9/15/17 10:39am
I don't see how crappy bowl games would improve
CougarVeteran
9/13/17 9:33am
There are no positives to G5 conference affiliation
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 10:34am
Out of state fan here : Hate Independence
CougarinOZ
9/13/17 10:52am
Me too
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 2:46pm
agree
ohiocougar
9/13/17 7:33pm
Out of state fans also like being able to attend games... until Harvey.
TailgateU
9/13/17 4:19pm
G5 teams have to play P5 big games for the money. More desperate> BYU being Indy
Bobmarleyjr
9/13/17 12:20pm
AAC looks very delish right about now. I'd take that. All day.
indojoe
9/13/17 1:40pm
Yes it 100% will.
Dissenter
9/13/17 4:20pm
The AAC is on the way up, much more so than the BIG12.
indojoe
9/13/17 4:31pm
IF the AAC had great teams, the Big 12 would have taken them
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 4:54pm
HALF of the AAC teams have spent time in Top25 in past 2yrs as has Boise. So
NotOfYourFaithBYUFAN
9/14/17 3:48am
You could argue our best years ranking national relevance were during MWC/WAC
franklyvulgar
9/13/17 8:56am
...and if we beat Boise State the rest of the teams on our schedule we are defacto MWC Champs!
Bonoman
9/13/17 10:17am
If we went Indy in the 90s, Utah would not be in the P5
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 10:38am
We're kidding ourselves if we think being indy is "prestigious."
CougLuv1
9/15/17 10:44am
So much has changed since then
palangi
9/13/17 10:49am
When/if ESPN doesn't renew our contract and other options
Cougar Geek
9/13/17 8:30am
I think the basketball team has hurt the basketball team - not the WCC
Jesse Pinkman
9/13/17 8:32am
HS gyms has hurt perceptions and fan interest is weaker - at least
Iman23
9/13/17 8:35am
Yes, because playing in Wyo or CSU was such a great experience?
Dissenter
9/13/17 9:42am
The playing style of the WCC has been a bad fit for us. Rose and others have
Run-DMT
9/13/17 8:37am
Agreed, Jesse!
Fervent Cougar
9/13/17 8:43am
I don't love the WCC, but with the SJWs ready to pounce, it's actually a good
Iman23
9/13/17 8:33am
One thing is for sure: a P5 invite isn't coming
SJS
9/13/17 8:38am
No, ESPN refused to pay for anyone else
2FarGone
9/13/17 8:45am
This was actually what they "discovered" in their public search
2FarGone
9/13/17 8:49am
Well that's a new (and totally incorrect) form of revisionist history.
BamaCoug
9/13/17 11:48am
It's all dependent on the next tv contract.
Kerbouchard
9/13/17 8:38am
No p5 is coming. Fanbase can't swallow g5. Program dies by 2025
johnnycarson
9/13/17 8:39am
Well, aren't you a ray of sunshine today?
2FarGone
9/13/17 8:42am
And Chris Hill is smiling as they're the only show in town
franklyvulgar
9/13/17 9:12am
We'd go G5 even if the fanbase can't swallow it. Program isn't going anywhere.
rggee
9/13/17 9:16am
but when fans don't care, and they wouldn't, we'd be like weber state eventually
johnnycarson
9/13/17 9:24am
Weber State? lol nah - Utah State at worst
rggee
9/13/17 9:25am
its really hard for a fanbase to accept a step down when utah is living the high
johnnycarson
9/13/17 9:32am
That's a pretty fickle fanbase, then. I definitely will continue to get season
rggee
9/13/17 9:33am
not really fickle. its hard to support a team, take a bunch of saturdays and
johnnycarson
9/13/17 9:39am
I'd say most football teams have zero national relevance, but they still make $$
rggee
9/13/17 11:11am
BYU is still top 30 football attendance, top 20 basketball attendance
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 10:12am
Fanbase can't swallow G5 = Utah based fans are jealous and prideful.
CougarinOZ
9/13/17 10:54am
Ridiculous. Again, so many around here fail to notice just how strong this program is. Fan base size alone means
CalGTR
9/13/17 10:59am
^ This ^
rggee
9/13/17 11:12am
Exactly. Well said
MaxxPower
9/13/17 7:59pm
You have to take the statement in context. The context is competing with P5 schools as an independent is not sustainable
Rhino84
9/13/17 8:43am
Our entire football program was built by sitting at a little kids table.
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 8:51am
Depends who you define as the "Big Boys". We are taken much more seriously year in and year out than the bottom half
Rhino84
9/13/17 9:00am
Sure, but that comes from winning, not conference affiliation. That reputation
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 9:02am
If games like LSU teach us anything, it's that we can't compete with P5 schools.
OpusX
9/13/17 9:00am
No. It teaches us that we can't compete with elite schools.
boscatar
9/13/17 9:16am
I like your use of the term "P5-like school". P5-like means you're not P5.
OpusX
9/13/17 9:25am
P5 refers to schools who are part of the autonomy governance structure
boscatar
9/13/17 9:37am
BYU 82, Utah 18
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 9:16am
Eh. I think LSU shows us we are never going undefeated as an independent.
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 9:24am
You're absolutely right about changing BYU as an institution.
OpusX
9/13/17 9:30am
Or possibly that we DIDN'T compete with that particular P5 school, and that
TheDash
9/14/17 11:44am
I think many fans realize the politics are such that a P5 invite is impossible.
franklyvulgar
9/13/17 9:14am
And if IIRC he said it was unsustainable indefinitely.
Everyman
9/13/17 9:47am
Yet the UU keeps getting subsidized
HawkeyeCoug
9/13/17 10:16am
And the lawmakers are content with that arragement.
Everyman
9/13/17 12:37pm
Why isn't it sustainable? If the answer is $$, then move to G5 not better.
CosmoK
9/13/17 8:45am
Ask Tom.
Run-DMT
9/13/17 8:46am
Tom needs to be asked point blank if Indy is sustainable long term and if he
franklyvulgar
9/13/17 9:10am
I don't think the drop off in revenue to the AAC would be that dramatic.
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 9:00am
You are kidding yourself
CougarVeteran
9/13/17 10:06am
Revenues have been going up for everyone in the country. TV deals, ticket prices
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 3:30pm
Also the Stigma of being in a G5 conference. BYU has a better brand independent
Bobmarleyjr
9/13/17 3:38pm
There are many G5 schools, including UCONN, Cinci, Boise, etc that have the "P5"
Junior Deputy
9/13/17 3:40pm
Boise might but I haven't seen any AAC with their P5 status
Bobmarleyjr
9/13/17 3:52pm
I give you three years and you focus on the one?
CougarVeteran
9/13/17 5:47pm
I don't think anyone could foresee that we would not get in by now and
Hawk Talons
9/13/17 9:02am
In other words please stop playing Wisconsin and LSU so we can beat up on Rice
Crush4
9/13/17 9:03am
RE: In other words please stop playing Wisconsin and LSU so we can beat up on
footballcougar
9/13/17 9:09am
* Stop playing Wisconsin and LSU in the same season....
boscatar
9/13/17 9:19am
It's what we used to do in the past ignorance is bliss I'd argue that even MWC
franklyvulgar
9/13/17 9:21am
And Boise State, and Utah, and Utah State, and San Jose St., and Mizzou
IrishCooga
9/13/17 9:25am
I know you are being facetious, but you make a good point
ArchbishopMitty
9/13/17 10:07am
Well they must be wrong, because several on CB have said otherwise
IrishCooga
9/13/17 9:17am
The basketball issues are 100% coaching/horrible evaluation of players. Period.
Ash
9/13/17 9:18am
it would help basketball if we were p5.
johnnycarson
9/13/17 9:40am
The expanded AAC would be a power basketball conference - high major
boscatar
9/13/17 9:45am
For the record- when there are a sixteen team super conferences, BYU will get a
RoyalCoug99
9/13/17 9:47am
Where? There won't be 5 16-team conferences.
Dissenter
9/13/17 9:53am
There's a chance that some of the weaker football schools would get cut
Run-DMT
9/13/17 9:57am
And for all objective criteria, the call should be from the Pac16, which would
Run-DMT
9/13/17 9:55am
When has college football ever been symmetrical?
boscatar
9/13/17 10:05am
Yes, if there's a CFB commissioner (Conf Comm/ADs) who decide. If it's Univ Pres
BamaCoug
9/13/17 11:49am
Why 4/16 and not 4/12. 48 teams get more $$$ each.
blackshirts
9/13/17 12:36pm
Hopefully the school is working on subtle HC alterations... Bc no P5 invite is coming w/ current HC language there
crm48
9/13/17 10:26am
As if that one quote is all Tom has ever said on the subject. Bronco, too, has clarified and expanded on BYU's future.
CalGTR
9/13/17 10:52am
We need other schools to go independent...that would do wonders for us
Hill4Heisman
9/13/17 11:23am
Hawaii and SDSU should do it next. They can get P5s and BYU on the schedule.
boscatar
9/13/17 12:48pm
If any G5 could pull off independence, it would be Hawaii
Yllage Vidiot
9/13/17 9:24pm
Don't know about SDSU, but Texas, Boise St, and Hawaii could
Hill4Heisman
9/14/17 10:27am
SDSU could pull off independence. SoCal venue. Especially with BYU and Hawaii
boscatar
9/18/17 1:26pm
Why not? Any reasons aside from quoting a coach that'll be out of a job soon?
zerome4sooners
9/13/17 12:31pm
I disagree. Independence and the WCC has not hurt
Endocoug
9/13/17 3:36pm
These comments are old and had a lot more context.
Katewot
9/13/17 5:32pm
Who is Bronco?
MaxxPower
9/13/17 7:56pm
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