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Jul 14, 2020
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Gerald-DeGroot
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Nope. Have never supported it. I believe there’s is plenty of evidence
to show that it was a major mistake and has hurt the program.
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Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?
TNT
7/14/20 1:57pm
Bronco does... he's said multiple times it's unstable.
Coug
7/14/20 1:58pm
And Holmoe said it wasn't sustainable
TNT
7/14/20 1:59pm
Brett McMurphy has said it's unsustainable... and will prevent BYU from ever reaching it's goals.
Coug
7/14/20 2:02pm
He said it was unsustainable, which is different from a mistake
Gustav
7/14/20 2:00pm
I don't mind leaving the MWC initially... but keeping this going this long is a blunder...
Coug
7/14/20 2:01pm
We were originally scheduled to host Big Ten, SEC and American schools in Provo
Doogal McCougar
7/14/20 2:12pm
So our program is a glorified exhibition? Who cares what the schedule is when there is nothing gained in the end...
Coug
7/14/20 2:16pm
Neither does any other option, and nobody wants to play the wac 2.0
Lip Gallagher
7/14/20 3:23pm
UCF, Boise State, Memphis, Houston all beg to differ...
Coug
7/14/20 3:28pm
You keep saying that like it's an actual option.
Lip Gallagher
7/14/20 3:30pm
What do they get? NY6 right? Or.....a "glorified exhibition"
rggee
7/15/20 7:11am
I guarantee you that UCF and Boise State wouldn't trade any of their NY6 Bowl games for any of our regular season games
Coug
7/15/20 9:08am
Only difference is we get 3 or 4 of those games, sometimes at home. I'll take
rggee
7/15/20 9:10am
And they still mean absolutely nothing... who honestly cares?
Coug
7/15/20 11:03am
...and Cincy, Navy, SMU.
blackshirts
7/15/20 9:18am
And beating Wyoming does?
ChiTownCougarV2
7/15/20 12:58am
We already have like 6 other Wyoming type games on our schedule... you act like we are only facing P5 teams...
Coug
7/15/20 9:06am
Um no.
Benfica1
7/15/20 9:13am
Excuse me... at what point have I advocated to be in the MWC? Who is being honest now?
Coug
7/15/20 11:05am
1) The original post is that going indy (leaving the MWC) was a mistake*, 2) You
Benfica1
7/15/20 11:13am
RE: 1) The original post is that going indy (leaving the MWC) was a mistake*, 2) You
Coug
7/15/20 11:24am
Boom.
Benfica1
7/15/20 12:05pm
I think it's a mistake that we have tried to entertain Independence for so long...
Coug
7/15/20 12:43pm
So signing onto something unsustainable is to be encouraged? I agree and said so
mrphotogenic
7/14/20 2:43pm
Lol he didn't think it was a mistake. He thinks it's not a really longterm
Lip Gallagher
7/14/20 2:53pm
there are DOZENS OF YOU - DOZENS!
Bob Vance
7/14/20 2:00pm
We were a better football program with less money and less TV options than we are now with more of both.
Coug
7/14/20 2:04pm
And how specifically would being in the MWC fix that?
Gustav
7/14/20 2:09pm
Winning attracts.
TheLoneCougar
7/14/20 2:25pm
I think there is a fair counter that we are getting who we typically get - and coaching has as much to do with it as
Bob Vance
7/14/20 2:35pm
I don't believe a marginal increase in wins, which would be over mediocre
Gustav
7/14/20 2:38pm
14 G5 teams had a better recruiting ranking than we did...
Coug
7/14/20 2:46pm
How many have an equivalent to the HCO?
Gustav
7/14/20 2:48pm
Memphis, UCF and Boise are constantly winning and recruiting better than us... winning will increase our recruiting...
Coug
7/14/20 2:53pm
UMass and Connecticut are about 8 spots ahead of us in the Scout recruiting
Stalwartbob
7/15/20 10:51am
Marginal increases in wins?
TheLoneCougar
7/15/20 7:15am
Less people died of cancer in the 1700s. Let’s use that medical technology.
shimmy
7/14/20 2:12pm
We were a better program than the other MWC teams.
FanofBYU
7/15/20 6:30am
Recruiting class avg has gone from 50's to 70's, which is major.
blackshirts
7/15/20 9:27am
RE: Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?
BlueVU
7/14/20 2:03pm
*sniff*
TNT
7/14/20 2:22pm
That makes 3 of us. Plus Jason Buck. Independence: the mistake that keeps on
Forzaitalia
7/14/20 2:33pm
As opposed to staying in the MWC?
ManicBlue
7/14/20 2:10pm
No. AAC
TNT
7/14/20 2:22pm
Which would have been worse than the MWC IMO.
ManicBlue
7/14/20 2:39pm
Ugh
TNT
7/14/20 2:54pm
I should have added ...
ManicBlue
7/14/20 3:10pm
That would have driven expenses through the roof.
FanofBYU
7/15/20 6:33am
Yes. Thank goodness you two aren't running BYU sports.
Benfica1
7/14/20 2:12pm
Nope. Have never supported it. I believe there’s is plenty of evidence
Gerald-DeGroot
7/14/20 2:15pm
We’ve had some serious missed opportunities that had the ball
Refugee
7/14/20 6:34pm
Such as?
GatorCoug
7/14/20 9:48pm
I think it was the right decision at the time. But should have been abandoned
JarJarBeeps
7/14/20 2:33pm
and you have a better alternative right now? I'd love to hear it.
ManicBlue
7/14/20 2:40pm
Boise State's program rose the exact same way BYU's did. Nice and shiny records
Doogal McCougar
7/14/20 3:26pm
How dare you?
777
7/14/20 2:34pm
Don’t forget Bronco said said it’s unsustainable like a bajillion times.
LyleLanley
7/14/20 2:42pm
It’s like you’re not even a student of my posts. Or my sig line.
SJS
7/14/20 3:30pm
It was a mistake to go independent, and it would be a mistake to go back to G5.
Ham
7/14/20 4:21pm
There are others who agree with you. I like independence over MWC or AAC.
kiyoshige
7/14/20 4:29pm
Yes
Snipe
7/14/20 6:20pm
No. I think it was a mistake as well.
eddog
7/14/20 6:47pm
RE: Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?
BoiseStateBronco19
7/14/20 6:57pm
Nope. AAC all the way!
CheeseburgerEddie
7/14/20 7:51pm
Independence has been a cluster from Day One. I love BYU. I hate independence.
TrueBlue67
7/14/20 8:43pm
Yes by far the best thing, I got tired or beating Wyoming.
Beetdiggercoug
7/14/20 9:42pm
Nope. Maybe initially made sense but now it's a death sentence
YSeattle
7/15/20 12:42am
Knee jerk reaction and mistake out of the chute.
superdoo
7/15/20 8:31am
Evidently you forget how badly BYU was getting hosed by the MWC with regards to
ManicBlue
7/15/20 9:51am
When TCU and Utah left BYU held all the cards, they could have negotiated then
superdoo
7/15/20 12:39pm
Why are you watching games so late? Most of our games last year were broadcast
ManicBlue
7/15/20 1:56pm
INDY sucks!!! Should have got into the BIG12, fail #1. Should have moved to the
blackshirts
7/15/20 9:06am
No! It was a bad decision secondary to a bad situation.
ohiocougar
7/15/20 9:26am
It could be an interesting experiment for the 2020 season
Doogal McCougar
7/15/20 10:56am
I tend to agree with you, but wouldn't do it at the cost of joining a G5 conference.
RUNBYU1
7/15/20 12:14pm
Good summation!
Forzaitalia
7/15/20 11:17am
What would you have done, stay in MWC with Hair?
kiyoshige
7/15/20 1:07pm
Yes, you are.
Jasbo
7/15/20 9:28am
Independence has been good, but aggressive scheduling is a mistake
Hill4Heisman
7/15/20 1:28pm
I would get any and all P5 games that we can get in October and November
Doogal McCougar
7/15/20 2:21pm
Exactly. Our current front-loaded schedules are also hurting us tremendously.
Hill4Heisman
7/15/20 2:45pm
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