I think there is a fair counter that we are getting who we typically get - and coaching has as much to do with it as

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Jul 14, 2020
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anything else. That probably would be a net-0 change.

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Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?

TNT

7/14/20 1:57pm

Bronco does... he's said multiple times it's unstable.

Coug

7/14/20 1:58pm

And Holmoe said it wasn't sustainable

TNT

7/14/20 1:59pm

Brett McMurphy has said it's unsustainable... and will prevent BYU from ever reaching it's goals.

Coug

7/14/20 2:02pm

He said it was unsustainable, which is different from a mistake

Gustav

7/14/20 2:00pm

I don't mind leaving the MWC initially... but keeping this going this long is a blunder...

Coug

7/14/20 2:01pm

We were originally scheduled to host Big Ten, SEC and American schools in Provo

Doogal McCougar

7/14/20 2:12pm

So our program is a glorified exhibition? Who cares what the schedule is when there is nothing gained in the end...

Coug

7/14/20 2:16pm

Neither does any other option, and nobody wants to play the wac 2.0

Lip Gallagher

7/14/20 3:23pm

UCF, Boise State, Memphis, Houston all beg to differ...

Coug

7/14/20 3:28pm

You keep saying that like it's an actual option.

Lip Gallagher

7/14/20 3:30pm

What do they get? NY6 right? Or.....a "glorified exhibition"

rggee

7/15/20 7:11am

I guarantee you that UCF and Boise State wouldn't trade any of their NY6 Bowl games for any of our regular season games

Coug

7/15/20 9:08am

Only difference is we get 3 or 4 of those games, sometimes at home. I'll take

rggee

7/15/20 9:10am

And they still mean absolutely nothing... who honestly cares?

Coug

7/15/20 11:03am

...and Cincy, Navy, SMU.

blackshirts

7/15/20 9:18am

And beating Wyoming does?

ChiTownCougarV2

7/15/20 12:58am

We already have like 6 other Wyoming type games on our schedule... you act like we are only facing P5 teams...

Coug

7/15/20 9:06am

Um no.

Benfica1

7/15/20 9:13am

Excuse me... at what point have I advocated to be in the MWC? Who is being honest now?

Coug

7/15/20 11:05am

1) The original post is that going indy (leaving the MWC) was a mistake*, 2) You

Benfica1

7/15/20 11:13am

RE: 1) The original post is that going indy (leaving the MWC) was a mistake*, 2) You

Coug

7/15/20 11:24am

Boom.

Benfica1

7/15/20 12:05pm

I think it's a mistake that we have tried to entertain Independence for so long...

Coug

7/15/20 12:43pm

So signing onto something unsustainable is to be encouraged? I agree and said so

mrphotogenic

7/14/20 2:43pm

Lol he didn't think it was a mistake. He thinks it's not a really longterm

Lip Gallagher

7/14/20 2:53pm

there are DOZENS OF YOU - DOZENS!

Bob Vance

7/14/20 2:00pm

We were a better football program with less money and less TV options than we are now with more of both.

Coug

7/14/20 2:04pm

And how specifically would being in the MWC fix that?

Gustav

7/14/20 2:09pm

Winning attracts.

TheLoneCougar

7/14/20 2:25pm

I think there is a fair counter that we are getting who we typically get - and coaching has as much to do with it as

Bob Vance

7/14/20 2:35pm

I don't believe a marginal increase in wins, which would be over mediocre

Gustav

7/14/20 2:38pm

14 G5 teams had a better recruiting ranking than we did...

Coug

7/14/20 2:46pm

How many have an equivalent to the HCO?

Gustav

7/14/20 2:48pm

Memphis, UCF and Boise are constantly winning and recruiting better than us... winning will increase our recruiting...

Coug

7/14/20 2:53pm

UMass and Connecticut are about 8 spots ahead of us in the Scout recruiting

Stalwartbob

7/15/20 10:51am

Marginal increases in wins?

TheLoneCougar

7/15/20 7:15am

Less people died of cancer in the 1700s. Let’s use that medical technology.

shimmy

7/14/20 2:12pm

We were a better program than the other MWC teams.

FanofBYU

7/15/20 6:30am

Recruiting class avg has gone from 50's to 70's, which is major.

blackshirts

7/15/20 9:27am

RE: Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?

BlueVU

7/14/20 2:03pm

*sniff*

TNT

7/14/20 2:22pm

That makes 3 of us. Plus Jason Buck. Independence: the mistake that keeps on

Forzaitalia

7/14/20 2:33pm

As opposed to staying in the MWC?

ManicBlue

7/14/20 2:10pm

No. AAC

TNT

7/14/20 2:22pm

Which would have been worse than the MWC IMO.

ManicBlue

7/14/20 2:39pm

Ugh

TNT

7/14/20 2:54pm

I should have added ...

ManicBlue

7/14/20 3:10pm

That would have driven expenses through the roof.

FanofBYU

7/15/20 6:33am

Yes. Thank goodness you two aren't running BYU sports.

Benfica1

7/14/20 2:12pm

Nope. Have never supported it. I believe there’s is plenty of evidence

Gerald-DeGroot

7/14/20 2:15pm

We’ve had some serious missed opportunities that had the ball

Refugee

7/14/20 6:34pm

Such as?

GatorCoug

7/14/20 9:48pm

I think it was the right decision at the time. But should have been abandoned

JarJarBeeps

7/14/20 2:33pm

and you have a better alternative right now? I'd love to hear it.

ManicBlue

7/14/20 2:40pm

Boise State's program rose the exact same way BYU's did. Nice and shiny records

Doogal McCougar

7/14/20 3:26pm

How dare you?

777

7/14/20 2:34pm

Don’t forget Bronco said said it’s unsustainable like a bajillion times.

LyleLanley

7/14/20 2:42pm

It’s like you’re not even a student of my posts. Or my sig line.

SJS

7/14/20 3:30pm

It was a mistake to go independent, and it would be a mistake to go back to G5.

Ham

7/14/20 4:21pm

There are others who agree with you. I like independence over MWC or AAC.

kiyoshige

7/14/20 4:29pm

Yes

Snipe

7/14/20 6:20pm

No. I think it was a mistake as well.

eddog

7/14/20 6:47pm

RE: Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?

BoiseStateBronco19

7/14/20 6:57pm

Nope. AAC all the way!

CheeseburgerEddie

7/14/20 7:51pm

Independence has been a cluster from Day One. I love BYU. I hate independence.

TrueBlue67

7/14/20 8:43pm

Yes by far the best thing, I got tired or beating Wyoming.

Beetdiggercoug

7/14/20 9:42pm

Nope. Maybe initially made sense but now it's a death sentence

YSeattle

7/15/20 12:42am

Knee jerk reaction and mistake out of the chute.

superdoo

7/15/20 8:31am

Evidently you forget how badly BYU was getting hosed by the MWC with regards to

ManicBlue

7/15/20 9:51am

When TCU and Utah left BYU held all the cards, they could have negotiated then

superdoo

7/15/20 12:39pm

Why are you watching games so late? Most of our games last year were broadcast

ManicBlue

7/15/20 1:56pm

INDY sucks!!! Should have got into the BIG12, fail #1. Should have moved to the

blackshirts

7/15/20 9:06am

No! It was a bad decision secondary to a bad situation.

ohiocougar

7/15/20 9:26am

It could be an interesting experiment for the 2020 season

Doogal McCougar

7/15/20 10:56am

I tend to agree with you, but wouldn't do it at the cost of joining a G5 conference.

RUNBYU1

7/15/20 12:14pm

Good summation!

Forzaitalia

7/15/20 11:17am

What would you have done, stay in MWC with Hair?

kiyoshige

7/15/20 1:07pm

Yes, you are.

Jasbo

7/15/20 9:28am

Independence has been good, but aggressive scheduling is a mistake

Hill4Heisman

7/15/20 1:28pm

I would get any and all P5 games that we can get in October and November

Doogal McCougar

7/15/20 2:21pm

Exactly. Our current front-loaded schedules are also hurting us tremendously.

Hill4Heisman

7/15/20 2:45pm

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