there are DOZENS OF YOU

Jul 14, 2020
2:00:00pm

Bob Vance Truly Addicted User

there are DOZENS OF YOU - DOZENS!

I'm sure it's a sizable portion, but probably in the minority. You can't unsee the money BYU moved into from leaving the MWC, nor the paltry sums they have shared since. Obviously, it came at other costs.

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Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?

TNT

7/14/20 1:57pm

Bronco does... he's said multiple times it's unstable.

Coug

7/14/20 1:58pm

And Holmoe said it wasn't sustainable

TNT

7/14/20 1:59pm

Brett McMurphy has said it's unsustainable... and will prevent BYU from ever reaching it's goals.

Coug

7/14/20 2:02pm

He said it was unsustainable, which is different from a mistake

Gustav

7/14/20 2:00pm

I don't mind leaving the MWC initially... but keeping this going this long is a blunder...

Coug

7/14/20 2:01pm

We were originally scheduled to host Big Ten, SEC and American schools in Provo

Doogal McCougar

7/14/20 2:12pm

So our program is a glorified exhibition? Who cares what the schedule is when there is nothing gained in the end...

Coug

7/14/20 2:16pm

Neither does any other option, and nobody wants to play the wac 2.0

Lip Gallagher

7/14/20 3:23pm

UCF, Boise State, Memphis, Houston all beg to differ...

Coug

7/14/20 3:28pm

You keep saying that like it's an actual option.

Lip Gallagher

7/14/20 3:30pm

What do they get? NY6 right? Or.....a "glorified exhibition"

rggee

7/15/20 7:11am

I guarantee you that UCF and Boise State wouldn't trade any of their NY6 Bowl games for any of our regular season games

Coug

7/15/20 9:08am

Only difference is we get 3 or 4 of those games, sometimes at home. I'll take

rggee

7/15/20 9:10am

And they still mean absolutely nothing... who honestly cares?

Coug

7/15/20 11:03am

...and Cincy, Navy, SMU.

blackshirts

7/15/20 9:18am

And beating Wyoming does?

ChiTownCougarV2

7/15/20 12:58am

We already have like 6 other Wyoming type games on our schedule... you act like we are only facing P5 teams...

Coug

7/15/20 9:06am

Um no.

Benfica1

7/15/20 9:13am

Excuse me... at what point have I advocated to be in the MWC? Who is being honest now?

Coug

7/15/20 11:05am

1) The original post is that going indy (leaving the MWC) was a mistake*, 2) You

Benfica1

7/15/20 11:13am

RE: 1) The original post is that going indy (leaving the MWC) was a mistake*, 2) You

Coug

7/15/20 11:24am

Boom.

Benfica1

7/15/20 12:05pm

I think it's a mistake that we have tried to entertain Independence for so long...

Coug

7/15/20 12:43pm

So signing onto something unsustainable is to be encouraged? I agree and said so

mrphotogenic

7/14/20 2:43pm

Lol he didn't think it was a mistake. He thinks it's not a really longterm

Lip Gallagher

7/14/20 2:53pm

there are DOZENS OF YOU - DOZENS!

Bob Vance

7/14/20 2:00pm

We were a better football program with less money and less TV options than we are now with more of both.

Coug

7/14/20 2:04pm

And how specifically would being in the MWC fix that?

Gustav

7/14/20 2:09pm

Winning attracts.

TheLoneCougar

7/14/20 2:25pm

I think there is a fair counter that we are getting who we typically get - and coaching has as much to do with it as

Bob Vance

7/14/20 2:35pm

I don't believe a marginal increase in wins, which would be over mediocre

Gustav

7/14/20 2:38pm

14 G5 teams had a better recruiting ranking than we did...

Coug

7/14/20 2:46pm

How many have an equivalent to the HCO?

Gustav

7/14/20 2:48pm

Memphis, UCF and Boise are constantly winning and recruiting better than us... winning will increase our recruiting...

Coug

7/14/20 2:53pm

UMass and Connecticut are about 8 spots ahead of us in the Scout recruiting

Stalwartbob

7/15/20 10:51am

Marginal increases in wins?

TheLoneCougar

7/15/20 7:15am

Less people died of cancer in the 1700s. Let’s use that medical technology.

shimmy

7/14/20 2:12pm

We were a better program than the other MWC teams.

FanofBYU

7/15/20 6:30am

Recruiting class avg has gone from 50's to 70's, which is major.

blackshirts

7/15/20 9:27am

RE: Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?

BlueVU

7/14/20 2:03pm

*sniff*

TNT

7/14/20 2:22pm

That makes 3 of us. Plus Jason Buck. Independence: the mistake that keeps on

Forzaitalia

7/14/20 2:33pm

As opposed to staying in the MWC?

ManicBlue

7/14/20 2:10pm

No. AAC

TNT

7/14/20 2:22pm

Which would have been worse than the MWC IMO.

ManicBlue

7/14/20 2:39pm

Ugh

TNT

7/14/20 2:54pm

I should have added ...

ManicBlue

7/14/20 3:10pm

That would have driven expenses through the roof.

FanofBYU

7/15/20 6:33am

Yes. Thank goodness you two aren't running BYU sports.

Benfica1

7/14/20 2:12pm

Nope. Have never supported it. I believe there’s is plenty of evidence

Gerald-DeGroot

7/14/20 2:15pm

We’ve had some serious missed opportunities that had the ball

Refugee

7/14/20 6:34pm

Such as?

GatorCoug

7/14/20 9:48pm

I think it was the right decision at the time. But should have been abandoned

JarJarBeeps

7/14/20 2:33pm

and you have a better alternative right now? I'd love to hear it.

ManicBlue

7/14/20 2:40pm

Boise State's program rose the exact same way BYU's did. Nice and shiny records

Doogal McCougar

7/14/20 3:26pm

How dare you?

777

7/14/20 2:34pm

Don’t forget Bronco said said it’s unsustainable like a bajillion times.

LyleLanley

7/14/20 2:42pm

It’s like you’re not even a student of my posts. Or my sig line.

SJS

7/14/20 3:30pm

It was a mistake to go independent, and it would be a mistake to go back to G5.

Ham

7/14/20 4:21pm

There are others who agree with you. I like independence over MWC or AAC.

kiyoshige

7/14/20 4:29pm

Yes

Snipe

7/14/20 6:20pm

No. I think it was a mistake as well.

eddog

7/14/20 6:47pm

RE: Are TNT and Coug the only ones who think Independence has been a mistake?

BoiseStateBronco19

7/14/20 6:57pm

Nope. AAC all the way!

CheeseburgerEddie

7/14/20 7:51pm

Independence has been a cluster from Day One. I love BYU. I hate independence.

TrueBlue67

7/14/20 8:43pm

Yes by far the best thing, I got tired or beating Wyoming.

Beetdiggercoug

7/14/20 9:42pm

Nope. Maybe initially made sense but now it's a death sentence

YSeattle

7/15/20 12:42am

Knee jerk reaction and mistake out of the chute.

superdoo

7/15/20 8:31am

Evidently you forget how badly BYU was getting hosed by the MWC with regards to

ManicBlue

7/15/20 9:51am

When TCU and Utah left BYU held all the cards, they could have negotiated then

superdoo

7/15/20 12:39pm

Why are you watching games so late? Most of our games last year were broadcast

ManicBlue

7/15/20 1:56pm

INDY sucks!!! Should have got into the BIG12, fail #1. Should have moved to the

blackshirts

7/15/20 9:06am

No! It was a bad decision secondary to a bad situation.

ohiocougar

7/15/20 9:26am

It could be an interesting experiment for the 2020 season

Doogal McCougar

7/15/20 10:56am

I tend to agree with you, but wouldn't do it at the cost of joining a G5 conference.

RUNBYU1

7/15/20 12:14pm

Good summation!

Forzaitalia

7/15/20 11:17am

What would you have done, stay in MWC with Hair?

kiyoshige

7/15/20 1:07pm

Yes, you are.

Jasbo

7/15/20 9:28am

Independence has been good, but aggressive scheduling is a mistake

Hill4Heisman

7/15/20 1:28pm

I would get any and all P5 games that we can get in October and November

Doogal McCougar

7/15/20 2:21pm

Exactly. Our current front-loaded schedules are also hurting us tremendously.

Hill4Heisman

7/15/20 2:45pm

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