Were they supposed to expect no raises for 7 years?

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Apr 26, 2018
12:26:20pm

Blue Cat All-American

Were they supposed to expect no raises for 7 years?

Or reduced funding over time leading to a larger work load? Or having your state retirement contribution go from 2.2% to 11.5% without getting additional benefits? This is what teachers in the Mesa Unified School District have experienced in Arizona.

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I love teachers, my only issue about complaining about pay is that they knew or

Thrill

4/26/18 12:14pm

Doesn't everybody want to get paid more though. It's just a natural human

rcbyufan

4/26/18 12:16pm

Yes, but few want to work harder or become better to earn it.

Plato

4/26/18 12:18pm

We're still talking about everybody here, right? Not just teachers?

rcbyufan

4/26/18 12:23pm

Yes.

Plato

4/26/18 12:52pm

This is why every position I have had since graduating college has been majority commission based.

JohnnyComeLately

4/26/18 12:35pm

I agree with this. I wanted to be a teacher, but there was no way I was going

CougarBacker

4/26/18 12:18pm

If husband and wife teach in a decent paying state it is a great

Baron

4/26/18 12:21pm

My dad was a teacher and coach who left for a government job because

Thrill

4/26/18 12:22pm

Do you have a problem with non-teachers arguing that we should pay teachers more

4/26/18 12:21pm

Not at all. There is so much wasted spending at the state level that could

Thrill

4/26/18 12:29pm

I’m with you on that; more money should naturally be accompanied with more

4/26/18 1:27pm

The argument fails. But I don't mind folks making the argument.

Plato

4/26/18 12:55pm

My argument about “getting more by spending more” fails?

4/26/18 1:01pm

At some point, you don't get better quality for higher pay. At McDonalds

Plato

4/26/18 1:07pm

So education has a measurable and replicable ceiling that is akin to a burger or

4/26/18 1:09pm

That's an even worse argument.

Plato

4/26/18 1:19pm

By all means, explain...

4/26/18 1:27pm

Also, burger flipping and oil changing are examples of procedural knowledge

4/26/18 1:50pm

I'm sure you know, but your wife is simply smarter than you. It doesn't have

Plato

4/26/18 2:05pm

I completely agree that much of the content could be taught online, but

4/27/18 4:18pm

That's probably true, but we're not even close to getting to that point with

SWP

4/27/18 11:48am

Yeah, but when one signs up for it they usually don’t plan on pay freezes and

Cashmeousside

4/26/18 12:25pm

In most cases their rate of pay has not increased with other professions

Josef K

4/26/18 12:25pm

Were they supposed to expect no raises for 7 years?

Blue Cat

4/26/18 12:26pm

If I got 2.5 months off in the summer I’d agree

tebowned

4/26/18 12:27pm

Characterizing them as whiners kind of distracts from the issue, don't you think?

buffgato

4/26/18 12:30pm

My wife works in a school and is very familiar with the issues. Like her

Thrill

4/26/18 12:44pm

Speaking of distracting from the issue...

buffgato

4/26/18 1:03pm

RE: Speaking of distracting from the issue...

Thrill

4/26/18 1:17pm

Market value. If people valued education they wouldn't be sending there kids to overcrowded

777

4/26/18 12:31pm

Education is the only industry

2FarGone

4/26/18 12:44pm

*their

The Old Y

4/26/18 12:45pm

RE: *their

777

4/26/18 12:48pm

I thought private school teachers made less than public school teachers

Pasadena

4/26/18 1:17pm

I'm sure there are private schools who pay less. What I'm saying is go find one that pays more.

777

4/26/18 1:32pm

Yeah I agree, the conservatives viewpoint on this is weird. Seems like the

Pasadena

4/26/18 1:44pm

It is really weird. My thoughts on this are because the church doesn't have it's own schools,

777

4/26/18 5:16pm

Of course, the problem in Arizona is they were promised raises and never given

runnincoug

4/26/18 12:53pm

In Arizona they raised the minimum wage last year, with more raises scheduled

BigTex

4/26/18 1:00pm

The other direct result to school districts is that their classified staff

couldge

4/27/18 12:59pm

You're right, the solution is no one should become a teacher. *eyeroll*

cougarsnooty

4/26/18 1:02pm

One of the problems with this arguement is that as a kid starting out in

Nagurski

4/26/18 1:02pm

Wait, I don't know a more vocal group of pay complainers than law firm

Pasadena

4/26/18 1:05pm

I think potential teachers also overestimate how much satisfaction they will get

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 1:08pm

Your first issue about salary is a personal issue that you need to get over and

Baron

4/26/18 1:12pm

Thanks for the feedback?

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 1:25pm

Don't let salary determine your self worth it is as simple as that. Because at

Baron

4/26/18 1:48pm

While true, this attitude is why female professions have been paid less

runnincoug

4/26/18 1:58pm

Okay. Well she is going to feel like crap until she makes $1200 per hour then.

Baron

4/26/18 2:03pm

A number that has a big impact on your quality of life. 🙂 But I understand what

Capricious Cougar

4/26/18 1:59pm

You aren't alone, Capricious. Research shows the two reasons teachers leave

runnincoug

4/26/18 1:54pm

Somewhat related:

crazY

4/26/18 5:14pm

my wife is a teacher, she puts in many extra hours and has to handle parents

franklyvulgar

4/26/18 1:28pm

And the teachers themselves make as much as graduate student teaching assistants

runnincoug

4/26/18 1:31pm

yup but those summer months.... lol

franklyvulgar

4/26/18 1:32pm

Thanks for this post

All-American Coug

4/27/18 10:54am

I completely disagree. If you have a job you love, that is important to society,

O Gaucho

4/26/18 1:54pm

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