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Jun 12, 2019
2:57:58pm

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What's wrong with soccer in U.S.? It's a 'rich, white kid sport,' says Hope Solo

The women's World Cup champion says soccer has become a country-club sport in America.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/soccer/news/world-cup-2018-hope-solo-rich-white-kid-sport/1xahd40xg3jn21t7zkvfr5hiyc

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Dumb soccer question. Why is our women's team so dominant while our men's team

Windward_Coug

6/12/19 2:07pm

Girls have been playing organized sports in the US longer. Soccer for girls is more popular.

Grit for Brains

6/12/19 2:07pm

Our USWNT support structure and opportunities for girls are superior.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:09pm

More sports opportunities for girls in the US, as compared to most of the world.

Joe Banks

6/12/19 2:09pm

Crazy, I honestly didn't know this. I served in the West Indies and girls

Windward_Coug

6/12/19 2:11pm

I might be wrong, but it’s a perception I have.

Joe Banks

6/12/19 2:36pm

Most countries lag way behind the US in terms of interest in women's soccer. It

gwalker

6/12/19 2:11pm

In many ways it is #4.

JmThms

6/13/19 1:20am

Men’s soccer is competing with Football for athletes.

Metallicat

6/12/19 2:11pm

Disagree. Our soccer athletes are often much better than our opponents

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:15pm

How can that be true when football requires big physiques, and

JmThms

6/13/19 1:19am

Think defensive backs and wide receivers

LaserCoug

6/13/19 5:55am

Yep just like Messi, Griezman, hazard..

cougfanz

6/13/19 6:58am

There is SOME overlap in typical physiques with those positions.

JmThms

6/13/19 8:41am

Think, getting or keeping those athletes in soccer from an early age not

LaserCoug

6/13/19 8:47am

From the perspective of attracting and keeping a larger swath of Americans in

JmThms

6/13/19 9:00am

This is what I’m talking about.

Metallicat

6/13/19 12:32pm

OK yes but "losing athletes to football" is NOT equivalent to

JmThms

6/13/19 2:46pm

They would be just as poorly developed as the ones on the team now.

mik3

6/13/19 9:01am

Right. I'm with you. Its skill and our system hasn't matured and developed

JmThms

6/13/19 9:24am

Yes he is. HS football is full of guys that size who never play after HS.

Byron McNertney

6/13/19 1:19pm

Soccer gets the best womens athletes whereas it gets the leftovers after 3-5

JONBOY

6/12/19 2:11pm

This is simply wrong and this misconception is actually part of why we struggle

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:17pm

Jon is right and you are half right.

Cobra Venom

6/12/19 2:28pm

Yep. Imagine KD or LeBron as a goalkeeper or Deion at pretty much any position.

Byron McNertney

6/12/19 2:20pm

SMH

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:23pm

"Smarts, practice, and instruction." Basically what I said only I added talent.

Byron McNertney

6/12/19 2:29pm

Uh no, you are talking about superior athletes. That isn't the US's problem.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:30pm

You keep trying to separate the "best athletes" issue and the development issue.

Byron McNertney

6/12/19 2:38pm

It isn't even worth explaining the difference to you anymore.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:39pm

Sorry, it's still the best athletes go to other sports. My son has played soccer

LaserCoug

6/12/19 2:52pm

LOL. HS soccer is a joke in the US. The best players don't even play HS.

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:00pm

Further

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:02pm

They peel off along the way. I've watched the club soccer scene as well. It

LaserCoug

6/12/19 3:05pm

I have coached in some of the best clubs in Utah. They rarely peel away.

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:06pm

Doesn't matter. The problem is that if they didn't peel off, they'd be poorly developed anyway, like

mik3

6/12/19 3:10pm

Ah! You're finally starting to understand it a little.

Byron McNertney

6/12/19 3:07pm

No they aren't. From a text I just sent to arguably the top club club in Utah

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:11pm

Who claimed that the kids who'd be the best soccer players are playing club?

Byron McNertney

6/12/19 3:14pm

Also, I don't know where your kid goes to HS, but

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:04pm

They have already left

LaserCoug

6/12/19 3:06pm

At what age are you saying this happens. I almost never see an elite soccer play

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:08pm

In our area, I see the first wave of it happen around 10-11. When it first

LaserCoug

6/12/19 3:17pm

What area is that. It isn't Utah. La Roca doesn't have that problem.

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:20pm

I'm not in Utah

LaserCoug

6/12/19 3:21pm

You also said it was happening everywhere. It definitely isn't.

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:22pm

Enjoy the women’s World Cup

LaserCoug

6/12/19 3:25pm

You too 🙂

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:27pm

You're spot on on everything you are saying...

cougfanz

6/12/19 4:01pm

SIGH...yeah, clearly I'm the one who doesn't understand.

Byron McNertney

6/12/19 2:54pm

All the people that watch and play soccer the most seem to think so, yes.

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:16pm

Most NFL and NBA athletes wouldn't make good soccer players even if they were

Dynasty1

6/12/19 2:29pm

Exactly.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:31pm

Exactly x 2.. that athlete arguments gets played out over and over and is dumb.

cougfanz

6/12/19 2:56pm

KD or LeBron could play GK and be excellent. LeBron might be a serviceable CB. But almost anywhere else

mik3

6/12/19 2:29pm

Largely because GK isn't as highly skill or tactical dependent as other position

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:42pm

Women's soccer structure infrastructure is the best in the world. Not the case for men's soccer.

mik3

6/12/19 2:17pm

it's really not tho.

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 2:21pm

Because...?

mik3

6/12/19 2:26pm

do you really need me to spell this out for you? In america our best athletes

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 2:30pm

You are again conflating "athleticism that matters in basketball" with "traits that make an elite soccer player".

mik3

6/12/19 2:33pm

ok, so elite quickness, agility, strength, vision etc don't make good soccer

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 2:43pm

LOL. You know nothing.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:50pm

so you're going on record as saying the US team has the most talented/athletic

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 3:28pm

LOL. Ghana works more against your point than anything I said.

YSMACK

6/12/19 3:34pm

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YSMACK

6/12/19 3:33pm

The current USMNT isn't lacking in "quickness, agility, strength", though. You could get them faster,

mik3

6/12/19 2:50pm

This is just a flawed argument that is brought up all the time.

JmThms

6/13/19 1:05am

It really is though. I love watching fat, old latino guys CRUSH young kids

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:26pm

The difference is the old fat Mexican has played soccer his entire life to

Metallicat

6/12/19 2:30pm

No it isn't. They are playing kids that also have played their whole lives, but

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:35pm

so you're saying the system is entirely to blame for US soccer sadness?

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 2:48pm

No. I am saying that those who focus on athletes choosing other sports are wrong

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:51pm

your elite athletes can learn those "skills" surprisingly fast.. then what?

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 2:31pm

No they can't. Not in our system. We don't have the coaches for it or the cultur

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:36pm

Lol no, those skills aren't picked up on the fly. La Masía kids work in those skills all day

mik3

6/12/19 2:42pm

dude you are not fighting fair. People are trying to tell you that if our elite

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 2:46pm

Then why did you argue that elite athletes would learn those skills "surprisingly fast"?

mik3

6/12/19 2:53pm

I said it because it is also true. You thumbs up YSMACK post saying US has most

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 3:30pm

In soccer, the most athletic players aren't the best players.

mik3

6/12/19 3:33pm

Except I never said that.

YSMACK

6/13/19 1:09am

A Ziggy Ansah story can never happen in soccer.

JmThms

6/13/19 8:43am

I think both statements can be true. The US has a great women's soccer

mudpupper

6/12/19 2:23pm

The thing is that the raw athleticism that matters in football and basketball is not as important

mik3

6/12/19 2:27pm

how is the women's soccer structure different from the men? More $$/resources

cougfanz

6/12/19 2:58pm

And you don’t think the “infrastructure” for

Metallicat

6/12/19 2:25pm

I do think that is relevant.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:28pm

Ochocinco might be something in soccer if that was his focus. But it wasn’t.

Metallicat

6/12/19 2:32pm

OMH. Keep putting your head in the sand.

YSMACK

6/12/19 2:38pm

No, not really. The US already spends a TON of money on soccer. The issue is that the way that money

mik3

6/12/19 2:34pm

Title IX

morris_center

6/12/19 2:29pm

It's a rich, white kid sport.

WDaddy

6/12/19 2:57pm

yet it's the sport of the poorest countries

vabeachcoug

6/12/19 3:27pm

in America only the tiny whites are playing it.

Mayor of Cougartown

6/12/19 3:31pm

Um, or "normal sized people".

JmThms

6/13/19 8:53am

Interesting article that, in part, addresses this.

Jimo Dashen

6/12/19 3:02pm

but even then the "other" countries never had developed their women players

cougfanz

6/12/19 4:00pm

Dumb boys playing football. Look at what they can make playing soccer. Highest 3

Blue for Life

6/12/19 9:24pm

Crazy that Tom Brady is back at #81 while a ginger from Mexico that most people

Dynasty1

6/12/19 9:51pm

Boxing makes a ton of money via PPV.

mik3

6/12/19 10:08pm

Definitely, I just didn't realize that Alvarez was making that kind of dough

Dynasty1

6/13/19 9:17am

Tom Brady would be somewhat higher if he didn't accept pay cuts

OlanchoCoug

6/13/19 7:23am

Men's soccer is more competitive

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