Do you really think it was an (either or decision)? This is one of the biggest

Jun 20, 2019
3:00:00pm

SnickSnack Contributor

fallacies I see used as an argument for making a choice. You can still do both if they are both high priorities. It typically comes down to priorities and in some cases not being creative enough to find alternative solutions to the problem.

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Devastating impact of discontinuation of Ricks College Athletics on BYU sports:

PGVikingDad

6/20/19 12:11pm

RE: Devastating impact of discontinuation of Ricks College Athletics on BYU

Six Foot Seven

6/20/19 12:14pm

What was the reason for discontinuing athletics there?

crack

6/20/19 12:14pm

the budget was moved to activities for the student body

v1k0u6

6/20/19 12:15pm

Losing money. Maybe if Tom (BYU) offered to pick up the tab for sports at BYUI

rcbyufan

6/20/19 12:17pm

"losing money" is shortsided... Athletics usually keeps alums engaged, and

Richbyu

6/20/19 12:24pm

Hey, you have me convinced. My vote doesn't count though.

rcbyufan

6/20/19 12:26pm

It is interesting. Just for fun I visited BYUI last year and they still had

pappabear246

6/20/19 1:53pm

Why can't UVU become the new Ricks? Seems like a great fit

Boring

6/22/19 4:47pm

Because it's a 4 year D1 school.

fattycoug

6/22/19 4:53pm

I was slightly tounge-in-cheek

Boring

6/22/19 7:55pm

I wasn't saying BYUI could become a feeder school to BYU again

pappabear246

6/23/19 8:20pm

On the other hand, after what just happened to BYU basketball

pappabear246

6/23/19 8:21pm

If only Tom could time travel so he could have changed that

gww687

6/20/19 1:54pm

Elder Bednar

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 12:20pm

It was President Hinckley

Mr. Belding

6/20/19 12:21pm

Okay, both of them.

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 12:21pm

Neither is what I hear, most people in Rexburg feel it came from Pres Eyring

RC Vikings

6/20/19 12:23pm

Oh my. Well, strange that I feel I’ll get ridiculed for this here, but I was able to see some of this unfold as it

Refugee

6/20/19 12:59pm

I doubt this happened without Pres Hinkley approaching Pres Eyring

RC Vikings

6/20/19 1:17pm

Even if I did share something like that it wouldn’t make any difference.

Refugee

6/20/19 1:35pm

Try

RC Vikings

6/20/19 1:50pm

I certainly will at least one more time. I’ll write something up later this evening.

Refugee

6/20/19 4:04pm

When will this post be ready? I've got the day off work and need some reading.

TheWanderer

6/21/19 10:29am

I’m working on it. Trying to reduce it down from being looooooong...

Refugee

6/21/19 12:06pm

I don't know who you are, but I like you

Stan Podolak

6/21/19 12:20pm

I'm a fast reader. Brevity is not necessary. I want all the details.

TheWanderer

6/21/19 12:41pm

I am working on it. I got super busy at work, etc. on Thursday afternoon through last night so

Refugee

6/22/19 6:24am

Ok, it's done. I created a related thread because it was so long and I just don't want to tread this ground again.

Refugee

6/22/19 9:01am

Can you elaborate please without sharing something too personal?

CLCougar

6/20/19 2:00pm

When you say “inspired”

Tsisquan

6/20/19 3:14pm

Yessir.

Refugee

6/22/19 6:22am

You guys so appauled by the idea that the decision may have been "inspired" are

fattycoug

6/22/19 6:35am

Inspired?

cougfanz

6/22/19 5:57am

Absoluty.

Refugee

6/22/19 6:23am

It's hard for us sports fans to admit ... but it was an awful lot of money

runnincoug

6/20/19 1:33pm

Do you really think it was an (either or decision)? This is one of the biggest

SnickSnack

6/20/19 3:00pm

My point is the sports program was really, really expensive, and we're a global

runnincoug

6/20/19 11:25pm

How expensive exactly? I don’t think I ever saw Ricks sports financials

cajuncoug

6/21/19 4:08am

I of course do not know the specifics, other than the majority of athletics

runnincoug

6/21/19 9:25am

Don't forget that the costs were going to get higher because they were going to

fattycoug

6/22/19 6:42am

Sure. Your enrollment is also going up though

cajuncoug

6/22/19 4:06pm

You mention the benefits out weigh the costs. What were the benefits?

SnickSnack

6/20/19 2:57pm

Going to a 4 year University ahs been greatly beneficial for a ton of people

fattycoug

6/22/19 9:12am

Missionary work has been negatively impacted

HawkeyeCoug

6/22/19 4:44pm

False. Speak what you know about.

Refugee

6/20/19 12:51pm

Plans for the name change had been in discussed before Bednar became president

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 1:49pm

All points not true. I’m sure that’s what you’ve heard, half of Rexburg had passed that around within 24 hours.

Refugee

6/20/19 3:54pm

It was all rumor. I'm glad to hear other sources.

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 5:26pm

Correlation=\=causation. I don't think Rick's was a major reason why BYU was

fattycoug

6/20/19 12:20pm

If JC guys could have really helped after that, you would ha e seen more kids

fattycoug

6/20/19 12:35pm

agree. this doesn't account for more significant variables, like

Str8CashCougar

6/20/19 1:23pm

Well then how would you explain this?

dYrtbYkerYder

6/20/19 1:47pm

RE: Well then how would you explain this?

Tsisquan

6/20/19 3:16pm

Hard to know but it definitely didn’t help things

cougfanz

6/20/19 12:24pm

we're screwed

Sea Chicken

6/20/19 12:26pm

There weren't very many kids that went from Ricks to BYU that made much of a

RC Vikings

6/20/19 12:29pm

You could make the same argument that 9/11 caused our decline.

Hill4Heisman

6/20/19 12:30pm

Maybe. The Mississippi State game had to be rescheduled as a result.

rambo

6/20/19 1:01pm

Agreed, the evidence is compelling.

CougarThug

6/20/19 4:49pm

I loved having Ricks as a feeder school in football with occasional basketball

PortlandBlue

6/20/19 12:33pm

Loss of Rick’s, Dixie, and UVSC as JUCO status has hurt our transfer pool

Odysseus

6/20/19 12:35pm

Snow stands alone, but has no schools to play now.

Florwood

6/20/19 3:53pm

Good point, it wasn't Ricks alone. All of those should have stayed JC.

Mitty

6/20/19 4:17pm

it has played a huge part, no doubt. Lots of talent came from Ricks College.

idacoug

6/20/19 1:33pm

But it was waning and now JC to D1 is basically for grades and last chance kids

fattycoug

6/20/19 2:20pm

Humm... Something an engaged AD would notice and take advantage

blackshirts

6/20/19 2:11pm

How in the world does Holmoe come into play re: Rick's?

fattycoug

6/20/19 2:23pm

He demonstrates what a great advantage it is to basically have feeder programs

blackshirts

6/20/19 3:59pm

This still has zero to do with Holmoe. He wasn't involved in any of the Ricks

fattycoug

6/20/19 4:19pm

You're probably right about the AD not being involved. I do think most JC

blackshirts

6/20/19 4:51pm

they might work closely but the number of JC players going D1 is dwindling

fattycoug

6/20/19 5:10pm

Dr. Anae agreed. I talked with him for about 30 minutes one day

6mancoach

6/20/19 2:13pm

Municipal impact was devastating. Provo will never recover.

AZcougLawyer

6/20/19 3:17pm

I was so worried about this when it happened, and our fears were realized.

Mitty

6/20/19 4:15pm

Changing to a 4yr university would have ended the pipeline anyway

morningcalmcougar

6/20/19 4:17pm

I agree with part of your sentiment, but the biggest reason for the demise of

kimdaddy35

6/20/19 4:31pm

things weren't going great at the end of Lavell's career, either

fattycoug

6/20/19 4:51pm

Lavell was old, but realize he was only 5 years removed from a top 5

kimdaddy35

6/20/19 5:02pm

Doesn't make me sick at all. Life >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BYU sports. Many people benefit

fbguru

6/22/19 10:08am

Get a life. Plant a geranium

Prickly Heat

6/22/19 1:31pm

I’d like more data. How many non-football athletes were in the pipeline.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/22/19 5:46pm

Probably had an impact, but so did the rise of Utah’s program as well as a more

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