I’d like more data. How many non-football athletes were in the pipeline.

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Jun 22, 2019
5:46:07pm

StalwartBraveTrue All-American

I’d like more data. How many non-football athletes were in the pipeline.

We know football was impacted but football doesn’t have a disproportionate value in directors cup. It’s only one sport.

BYU finished top 20 in football twice (once in top 12) after the pipeline ended and yet there was still a dip.

These things didn’t happen in a vacuum.

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Devastating impact of discontinuation of Ricks College Athletics on BYU sports:

PGVikingDad

6/20/19 12:11pm

RE: Devastating impact of discontinuation of Ricks College Athletics on BYU

6/20/19 12:14pm

What was the reason for discontinuing athletics there?

crack

6/20/19 12:14pm

the budget was moved to activities for the student body

v1k0u6

6/20/19 12:15pm

Losing money. Maybe if Tom (BYU) offered to pick up the tab for sports at BYUI

rcbyufan

6/20/19 12:17pm

"losing money" is shortsided... Athletics usually keeps alums engaged, and

Richbyu

6/20/19 12:24pm

Hey, you have me convinced. My vote doesn't count though.

rcbyufan

6/20/19 12:26pm

It is interesting. Just for fun I visited BYUI last year and they still had

pappabear246

6/20/19 1:53pm

Why can't UVU become the new Ricks? Seems like a great fit

Boring

6/22/19 4:47pm

Because it's a 4 year D1 school.

fattycoug

6/22/19 4:53pm

I was slightly tounge-in-cheek

Boring

6/22/19 7:55pm

I wasn't saying BYUI could become a feeder school to BYU again

pappabear246

6/23/19 8:20pm

On the other hand, after what just happened to BYU basketball

pappabear246

6/23/19 8:21pm

If only Tom could time travel so he could have changed that

gww687

6/20/19 1:54pm

Elder Bednar

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 12:20pm

It was President Hinckley

Mr. Belding

6/20/19 12:21pm

Okay, both of them.

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 12:21pm

Neither is what I hear, most people in Rexburg feel it came from Pres Eyring

RC Vikings

6/20/19 12:23pm

Oh my. Well, strange that I feel I’ll get ridiculed for this here, but I was able to see some of this unfold as it

Refugee

6/20/19 12:59pm

I doubt this happened without Pres Hinkley approaching Pres Eyring

RC Vikings

6/20/19 1:17pm

Even if I did share something like that it wouldn’t make any difference.

Refugee

6/20/19 1:35pm

Try

RC Vikings

6/20/19 1:50pm

I certainly will at least one more time. I’ll write something up later this evening.

Refugee

6/20/19 4:04pm

When will this post be ready? I've got the day off work and need some reading.

TheWanderer

6/21/19 10:29am

I’m working on it. Trying to reduce it down from being looooooong...

Refugee

6/21/19 12:06pm

I don't know who you are, but I like you

6/21/19 12:20pm

I'm a fast reader. Brevity is not necessary. I want all the details.

TheWanderer

6/21/19 12:41pm

I am working on it. I got super busy at work, etc. on Thursday afternoon through last night so

Refugee

6/22/19 6:24am

Ok, it's done. I created a related thread because it was so long and I just don't want to tread this ground again.

Refugee

6/22/19 9:01am

Can you elaborate please without sharing something too personal?

CLCougar

6/20/19 2:00pm

When you say “inspired”

Tsisquan

6/20/19 3:14pm

Yessir.

Refugee

6/22/19 6:22am

You guys so appauled by the idea that the decision may have been "inspired" are

fattycoug

6/22/19 6:35am

Inspired?

cougfanz

6/22/19 5:57am

Absoluty.

Refugee

6/22/19 6:23am

It's hard for us sports fans to admit ... but it was an awful lot of money

runnincoug

6/20/19 1:33pm

Do you really think it was an (either or decision)? This is one of the biggest

SnickSnack

6/20/19 3:00pm

My point is the sports program was really, really expensive, and we're a global

runnincoug

6/20/19 11:25pm

How expensive exactly? I don’t think I ever saw Ricks sports financials

cajuncoug

6/21/19 4:08am

I of course do not know the specifics, other than the majority of athletics

runnincoug

6/21/19 9:25am

Don't forget that the costs were going to get higher because they were going to

fattycoug

6/22/19 6:42am

Sure. Your enrollment is also going up though

cajuncoug

6/22/19 4:06pm

You mention the benefits out weigh the costs. What were the benefits?

SnickSnack

6/20/19 2:57pm

Going to a 4 year University ahs been greatly beneficial for a ton of people

fattycoug

6/22/19 9:12am

Missionary work has been negatively impacted

HawkeyeCoug

6/22/19 4:44pm

False. Speak what you know about.

Refugee

6/20/19 12:51pm

Plans for the name change had been in discussed before Bednar became president

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 1:49pm

All points not true. I’m sure that’s what you’ve heard, half of Rexburg had passed that around within 24 hours.

Refugee

6/20/19 3:54pm

It was all rumor. I'm glad to hear other sources.

HuskerFan2

6/20/19 5:26pm

Correlation=\=causation. I don't think Rick's was a major reason why BYU was

fattycoug

6/20/19 12:20pm

If JC guys could have really helped after that, you would ha e seen more kids

fattycoug

6/20/19 12:35pm

agree. this doesn't account for more significant variables, like

6/20/19 1:23pm

Well then how would you explain this?

6/20/19 1:47pm

RE: Well then how would you explain this?

Tsisquan

6/20/19 3:16pm

Hard to know but it definitely didn’t help things

cougfanz

6/20/19 12:24pm

we're screwed

Sea Chicken

6/20/19 12:26pm

There weren't very many kids that went from Ricks to BYU that made much of a

RC Vikings

6/20/19 12:29pm

You could make the same argument that 9/11 caused our decline.

Hill4Heisman

6/20/19 12:30pm

Maybe. The Mississippi State game had to be rescheduled as a result.

rambo

6/20/19 1:01pm

Agreed, the evidence is compelling.

CougarThug

6/20/19 4:49pm

I loved having Ricks as a feeder school in football with occasional basketball

6/20/19 12:33pm

Loss of Rick’s, Dixie, and UVSC as JUCO status has hurt our transfer pool

Odysseus

6/20/19 12:35pm

Snow stands alone, but has no schools to play now.

Florwood

6/20/19 3:53pm

Good point, it wasn't Ricks alone. All of those should have stayed JC.

Mitty

6/20/19 4:17pm

it has played a huge part, no doubt. Lots of talent came from Ricks College.

idacoug

6/20/19 1:33pm

But it was waning and now JC to D1 is basically for grades and last chance kids

fattycoug

6/20/19 2:20pm

Humm... Something an engaged AD would notice and take advantage

blackshirts

6/20/19 2:11pm

How in the world does Holmoe come into play re: Rick's?

fattycoug

6/20/19 2:23pm

He demonstrates what a great advantage it is to basically have feeder programs

blackshirts

6/20/19 3:59pm

This still has zero to do with Holmoe. He wasn't involved in any of the Ricks

fattycoug

6/20/19 4:19pm

You're probably right about the AD not being involved. I do think most JC

blackshirts

6/20/19 4:51pm

they might work closely but the number of JC players going D1 is dwindling

fattycoug

6/20/19 5:10pm

Dr. Anae agreed. I talked with him for about 30 minutes one day

6mancoach

6/20/19 2:13pm

Municipal impact was devastating. Provo will never recover.

6/20/19 3:17pm

I was so worried about this when it happened, and our fears were realized.

Mitty

6/20/19 4:15pm

Changing to a 4yr university would have ended the pipeline anyway

morningcalmcougar

6/20/19 4:17pm

I agree with part of your sentiment, but the biggest reason for the demise of

kimdaddy35

6/20/19 4:31pm

things weren't going great at the end of Lavell's career, either

fattycoug

6/20/19 4:51pm

Lavell was old, but realize he was only 5 years removed from a top 5

kimdaddy35

6/20/19 5:02pm

Doesn't make me sick at all. Life >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BYU sports. Many people benefit

fbguru

6/22/19 10:08am

Get a life. Plant a geranium

Prickly Heat

6/22/19 1:31pm

I’d like more data. How many non-football athletes were in the pipeline.

StalwartBraveTrue

6/22/19 5:46pm

Probably had an impact, but so did the rise of Utah’s program as well as a more

Josef K

6/23/19 4:56pm

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