If you could avoid litigation/high premiums, would you still feel this way?

Jul 10, 2020
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D.T. Survivor

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I'm on day 3 of a cosmetics plastic surgery rotation and all I can say is

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 8:41pm

Tell us more

kotacoug

7/9/20 8:42pm

I saw 38 year old woman today that looked like she was a 60 year old fighting

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 8:45pm

Filler + lip injections need to be used extremely judiciously

Mrs Featerbottom

7/9/20 9:31pm

Probably almost every woman in my ward has had an augmentation without much else done. I think most people are

Slim

7/9/20 8:43pm

My biggest issue is the cost. Hard to justify that. But whatever.

Backcountry

7/9/20 8:44pm

Seems like its worth it, especially when they usually do 2 for the price 1

4mack

7/9/20 9:02pm

Well worth the cost as one who paid for them and gets to see them daily.

Phred84044

7/10/20 10:56am

Potential complications scare me too. Unnecessary risk.

Backcountry

7/10/20 10:58am

Two comments: one, kinda weird you've been looking close enough to make that

MasterLump

7/9/20 8:45pm

Not hard to notice.

Baron

7/9/20 8:45pm

Whether they're natural or not? You've gotta be looking a little harder than a

MasterLump

7/9/20 8:46pm

It is not hard to notice. Especially if you are married

Baron

7/9/20 8:47pm

Board name doesn’t check out?

fredetteaboutit13

7/9/20 9:16pm

His wife probably pointed it out. They notice, then talk.

bluecheese

7/9/20 9:19pm

Friends talk, word gets around.

Backcountry

7/9/20 8:47pm

Augmentation can mean a lot of things and if you've seen them before and

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 8:46pm

Where's the wink wink nudge nudge emoji?

No touching

7/9/20 8:49pm

Board name doesn't check out.

coug almighty

7/9/20 11:53pm

I loved Plastics, great field.

SJS

7/9/20 8:46pm

I think I'd love the surgery part of it, this is just in office cosmetics stuff

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 8:47pm

If you’re a PA student, you won’t be “doing surgery”. Maybe assisting though.

SJS

7/9/20 8:49pm

Lol. Yes, I know. When I say do surgery, I mean to say that's the field I'd like

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 8:52pm

Hey man that’s elitist

CardiacCoug

7/9/20 8:54pm

It’s like when nurses do “residencies”, by which they mean extended orientation

SJS

7/9/20 8:55pm

Haha I remember the first time a nurse told me she was doing a residency. I was like

Slim

7/9/20 8:58pm

If they came back to me and said I had to do residency again, I would quit.

SJS

7/9/20 9:06pm

Literally have nightmares about this

Slim

7/9/20 9:55pm

Sad thing is I look back on residency and fellowship and think how easy it was

cougfanz

7/9/20 11:44pm

This is so true. What I thought was "really cool" in medical school is an

doctorcoug

7/10/20 8:51am

If you could avoid litigation/high premiums, would you still feel this way?

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 11:53am

It’s not so much litigation as license/privilege restriction that’s terrifying.

valleus

7/10/20 12:01pm

Yep. My partner got run out of one job. Sure that happens. He piped up when

cougfanz

7/10/20 2:23pm

Yea I haven’t been sued and don’t think about it too much

cougfanz

7/10/20 2:19pm

The expectations are unreal for physicians

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 3:01pm

Very true. One false complaint/allegation can follow you for decades. I find

valleus

7/10/20 12:00pm

Nursing, man. "Nurse residency", "nursing care plans", "nursing diagnosis"

Backcountry

7/9/20 9:34pm

I should tell you my experience with a PA

byuguns55

7/9/20 9:50pm

Good point. I went through a stage where when someone (nurse/tech) wanted

cougfanz

7/9/20 11:49pm

We have this PA that works for us now that was a surgery PA for many years. Now he’s been doing internal medicine stuff

Slim

7/9/20 8:55pm

I love a great PA.. I’m such a fan of PAs over NPs and some of them

cougfanz

7/10/20 12:05am

We have 3 PAs with our group. They’re great.

SJS

7/10/20 7:04am

PAs do parts of surgeries unassisted at Walter Reed without incident.

valleus

7/9/20 10:53pm

If I was a PA I would totally do the military or something similar

cougfanz

7/10/20 12:08am

Did they do 5+ years residency, possibly a fellowship, pass written and oral boards, maintain privileges/certifications?

SJS

7/10/20 7:06am

Wish there was a pathway for PA advancement

giveme1luke2go

7/10/20 9:53am

They have a pathway for that: med school and then residency

SJS

7/10/20 10:01am

Such an elitist

Backcountry

7/10/20 10:07am

RE: Such an elitist

SJS

7/10/20 10:08am

This is the exact attitude that is the problem

giveme1luke2go

7/10/20 12:40pm

Where PAs can advance is on the entrepreneurial side of things. Locally

cougfanz

7/10/20 2:12pm

Sorry, no such thing as on the job training. Want to be a doc? Go to medical school.

SJS

7/10/20 2:44pm

Have I once mentioned on the job training?

giveme1luke2go

7/10/20 4:18pm

No, but you don’t need that to do basic opening, closing, washouts, or taking a

valleus

7/10/20 10:16am

They probably let nurses do anesthesia too

Backcountry

7/10/20 10:18am

Under the guidance of a board certified anesthesiologist? Sure.

SJS

7/10/20 10:56am

Still. Seems dangerous.

Backcountry

7/10/20 10:58am

What are you talking about here?

SJS

7/10/20 10:54am

I am very grateful for plastic surgeons. Our son was born with a bilateral

kcca

7/9/20 10:34pm

This is the side of plastics I find very interesting. Glad to hear about your

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 10:39pm

Wait a second, we don't praise dentist here. Take that blasphemy somewhere else!

jaredm

7/10/20 9:07am

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rivercitycoug

7/9/20 8:48pm

"Almost every woman?" That's not true.

Gentleman Stan

7/9/20 9:52pm

He lives in highland, higher probability that it's true 😂

azmbacougar

7/9/20 10:14pm

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Abe Froman

7/10/20 7:11am

Where do you live??? That’s awful. I think Utah does have highest per capita

valleus

7/9/20 10:43pm

Highland Utah. We are the epitome of keeping up with the joneses here. But this particular nuance is not awful

Slim

7/9/20 10:49pm

Did you compare pictures of these women pre and post op?

Jimmerfan32

7/10/20 8:00am

My wife got a mommy makeover 4 years ago

idacoug

7/9/20 9:05pm

Not saying it can't be beneficial. If we had the money, I personally wouldn't

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 9:25pm

My wife would like one in the next couple of years. I’m in favor

cougarmeister

7/9/20 10:03pm

What has been awesome?

ugo1st

7/9/20 10:37pm

Not always but I would guess majority never stop at one surgery

cougfanz

7/10/20 12:01am

We shall see. She has never even hinted it but it’s only been 4 years.

idacoug

7/10/20 12:36am

RE: I'm on day 3 of a cosmetics plastic surgery rotation and all I can say is

TNT

7/9/20 9:09pm

*wary or leery

YSMACK

7/9/20 9:27pm

Lol, thanks. I mix those terms but forget sometimes weary is not a real word.

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 9:49pm

🙂 I mix up words a lot. That is why I know. Weary actually is a word — it means tired.

YSMACK

7/9/20 9:51pm

I’d add that I’ve noticed those who get cosmetic surgery are never happy. I have

valleus

7/9/20 10:49pm

This may be true

Blue Golfer

7/9/20 10:52pm

I know a bunch of people who got plastic surgery who have perfectly happy lives.

Mrs Featerbottom

7/9/20 11:05pm

If it’s reconstructive surgery, that’s different. If it’s breast implants, I’d

valleus

7/9/20 11:16pm

What if it’s not a young woman. But an older better established woman?

IceBlueCoug

7/9/20 11:19pm

Some people just don't win the genetic lottery.

Mrs Featerbottom

7/9/20 11:22pm

Are you a woman? Have you had kids? There is a difference between restoring

Chester Copperpot

7/10/20 10:16am

Breast reduction pt are all way happier

lazycoug

7/10/20 6:49am

Breast reduction? That's like slapping God in the face after he gave you a

Backcountry

7/10/20 7:20am

This is complete BS. Plenty of happy, mentally healthy aesthetics patients out there.

SJS

7/10/20 7:09am

Those who are okay with cosmetic surgery but against two sets of earrings,

valleus

7/9/20 11:03pm

Cosmetic surgery has the potential to improve one's appearance.

Mrs Featerbottom

7/9/20 11:16pm

you can have as many sets of earrings as you have sets of implants

byujag

7/10/20 8:01am

THIS. I don't have a problem with tattoos, or double earrings, or implants

HONOMO

7/10/20 10:52am

Yep. It’s insane.

byu1

7/10/20 11:02am

It's maddening to me.

Blue Golfer

7/10/20 11:41am

The poor moral reasoning can be quite maddening.

valleus

7/10/20 11:47am

To me it’s the lack of truly knowing how horrible and how quickly things can go

cougfanz

7/10/20 12:03am

I inject peoples faces all day. I never make them look crazy or "done." They

YSeattle

7/10/20 12:21am

You’ve never had a pt who is overdoing it with the injections?

fredetteaboutit13

7/10/20 7:57am

I won't allow a patient to over do it

YSeattle

7/10/20 11:45am

But have you seen the most of procedurally? And what setting are you in? There's a huge difference between

unctoothman

7/10/20 6:05am

I've been around the reconstructive side of things, just not in this role.

Blue Golfer

7/10/20 8:36am

I watched a few surgeries online. And read about rates of explants, etcs.

CosmoK

7/10/20 10:08am

Do you watch them with your wife or without?

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 12:01pm

I’ve read that young women in their early twenties are

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 1:46pm

RE: I’ve read that young women in their early twenties are

Blue Golfer

7/10/20 2:03pm

And late 30s is a little more understandable, but twenties and late teens?

D.T. Survivor

7/10/20 4:55pm

Day 3...so you are an expert now

byuguns55

7/10/20 5:44pm

RE: Day 3...so you are an expert now

Blue Golfer

7/10/20 8:00pm

Understood...but you generalized and painted many with a broad brush

byuguns55

7/10/20 8:47pm

More like 3:1 normal:overdone.

Blue Golfer

7/10/20 8:53pm

I disagree that it’s 3:1, but you do you

byuguns55

7/10/20 11:07pm

Crazy to see how much insight you have into the patients I saw this week.

Blue Golfer

7/10/20 11:30pm

All you PAs are the same...

byuguns55

7/11/20 6:54pm

RE: All you PAs are the same...

Blue Golfer

7/11/20 8:52pm

Have you considered that the plastic office sees some patients more frequently,

doctorcoug

7/12/20 6:49am

I've definitely considered that. I make no claim that this is what all of

Blue Golfer

7/12/20 10:21am

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