I think Thamel’s right. I just don’t see pac or big 10 adding those teams.

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Jul 24, 2021
9:09:48am

Hoss Bonaventure Starter

I think Thamel’s right. I just don’t see pac or big 10 adding those teams.

They’ve won some games, but if you’re Oregon/USC or Wisc/OSU would you want to add Kstate who is another program to share with but won’t add that much? I think a big 12 with BYU/USF/Cinn/ and however would be good enough. The worst of the old P5, but better than G5.

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Hoss Bonaventure

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Pete Thamels article is interesting. He doesn’t seem to think the Big12 will be

7/24/21 7:46am

If it’s about money, there isn’t anyone in the b12 who demonstrably adds enough

StalwartBraveTrue

7/24/21 7:51am

Everyone always forgets that Kansas basketball brings in football type

gwalker

7/24/21 7:53am

"Better than average P5 football money"? Kansas? I mean I bet it seems that way

thewaterboy

7/24/21 8:02am

The basketball money at Kansas is better than the average P5 school’s football

gwalker

7/24/21 8:08am

Doesn't matter how much it brings in

Gustav

7/24/21 8:11am

That’s especially true in post season revenue.

Everyman

7/24/21 8:24am

That isn’t the relevant question. Would they bring in more than average in a

gwalker

7/24/21 8:29am

Whether they bring in more than Purdue et al is irrelevant

Gustav

7/24/21 8:32am

Agreed.

gwalker

7/24/21 2:50pm

Evidence?

BYU '80

7/24/21 8:35am

Yes please, I don't recall seeing Kansas toward the top of any revenue lists

BYUFam1

7/24/21 8:43am

The revenue is irrelevant anyway — what matters is the collectively negotiated

Gustav

7/24/21 8:45am

Kansas was #28 overall in revenue

krindorr

7/24/21 8:47am

Not when they get a share of the big12 football pie

BYU '80

7/24/21 8:49am

Well they brought in $31M more than other Big12 schools like K State

krindorr

7/24/21 9:33am

And doesn't it show $40M was from donations?

BYUFam1

7/24/21 11:30am

I'm not sure they make more from basketball then football

krindorr

7/24/21 11:33am

But is it enough? Average p5 revenue is not going to improve the financials

StalwartBraveTrue

7/24/21 1:09pm

...before the G-League. Many of the best players are going to the G-League.

Benfica1

7/24/21 8:44am

I think the P12 should combine with the remaining 7 B12 schools (minus WVU) and

7/24/21 8:15am

One last thing is that the other Texas schools should see this as an opportunity

7/24/21 8:21am

Why on earth would the PAC want the big 12 leftovers?

7/24/21 9:58am

This is answered in my post. What part do you disagree with?

7/24/21 10:51am

The part where the PAC would want the big 12 leftovers.

7/24/21 12:14pm

Good talk

7/24/21 12:54pm

Even if they don’t add “value” in terms of market, by creating a super conferenc

7/24/21 10:43am

I was forgetting that even with a better tv deal they would have a to. More

7/24/21 10:46am

The mall analogy is great.

Florwood

7/24/21 8:02am

The remaining B12 schools are in panic mode and it’s every man for itself…

Housemartin

7/24/21 8:09am

That’ll last a week until they see they have to stick together. So then they expand.

7/24/21 8:35am

Except nobody wants them. It’s the best kind of security, really.

7/24/21 10:17am

From Thamel, and other Big12 is going big = Trying to poach P5

Bobmarleyjr

7/24/21 8:46am

I think a call to Nebraska makes sense. But after they get turned down, they have to pivot to survival mode.

7/24/21 8:55am

They may want to make overtures to anyone they think may b unhappy in their spot

cougarfan84

7/24/21 2:25pm

Everyone knows since 2011 and especially 2016 Big12 wants to expand

Bobmarleyjr

7/24/21 4:35pm

Good point, no P5 is going from stable to unstable for most likely less money…

Housemartin

7/24/21 9:16am

Since it only requires three teams to stay, I don't see the Big 12 going away

7/24/21 12:20pm

The best laid plans of mice and men. . .

CosmoK

7/24/21 12:41pm

I think Thamel’s right. I just don’t see pac or big 10 adding those teams.

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 9:09am

I don't see any G5 addition scenario where UH isn't the first team added

HONOMO

7/24/21 10:27am

I had read that TCU, TTU, Baylor were hesitant to add UH and SMU, FWIW

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 10:34am

While likely not as big a factor with Texas gone

7/24/21 12:26pm

I have not seen his article, but he's 100% right and I've been posting the...

LEDSFW

7/24/21 9:50am

I'd go with 1) BYU, 2) UCF 3) Houston, 4) Cincy or CSU.

Benfica1

7/24/21 10:25am

Ranging from San Diego to West Virginia is asking to be torn apart & gobbled up

krindorr

7/24/21 10:28am

TL:DR 1) UCF, 2) Cincy, 3) Houston, 4) BYU

krindorr

7/24/21 10:48am

Odd takes: one example is that Houston has lost the last 3 straight to BYU...

Benfica1

7/24/21 12:00pm

Not that much disagreement with you here

krindorr

7/24/21 2:51pm

You are forgetting the new paradigm factors of BRAND

Vegasjohn

7/24/21 1:56pm

That's true, new paradigm may help

krindorr

7/24/21 5:01pm

Great write up. Cincy would be #3 behind BYU/UCF

TFL

7/24/21 10:48am

So why does everyone think super conferences are inevitable? Will conferences

7/24/21 10:52am

Because they think it’s the trend. It’s not. The trend is to expand when it benefits

TFL

7/24/21 11:10am

I guess I thought enough leftovers would be big enough for a better tv deal.

7/24/21 1:49pm

The more I think about it the more I think the Big 12 stays together and expands

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 11:15am

The Big 12 is going to stay together and expand

2FarGone

7/24/21 10:09am

People on here have been acting like the B1G couldn’t have taken any team it

SLIVER

7/24/21 10:12am

Another interesting thing Thamel said in an interview with Finebaum last night

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 10:38am

I don’t disagree with you from a competition standpoint but I think it’s . . .

theonick

7/24/21 11:12am

Really think to survive they need at least 12 members. Maybe more but agree TX isn’t what it used to be.

Soupie

7/24/21 11:16am

I doubt anything but football gets considered. They don’t want the headache of

7/24/21 1:51pm

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