Since it only requires three teams to stay, I don't see the Big 12 going away

Jul 24, 2021
12:20:28pm

CougarVeteran Future Former User

If nothing else, these leftover schools will want to split the leftover Basketball credits and money from teams leaving, and they'll be able to attract some of the better G5 teams.

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Pete Thamels article is interesting. He doesn’t seem to think the Big12 will be

ColonelMustard

7/24/21 7:46am

If it’s about money, there isn’t anyone in the b12 who demonstrably adds enough

StalwartBraveTrue

7/24/21 7:51am

Everyone always forgets that Kansas basketball brings in football type

gwalker

7/24/21 7:53am

"Better than average P5 football money"? Kansas? I mean I bet it seems that way

thewaterboy

7/24/21 8:02am

The basketball money at Kansas is better than the average P5 school’s football

gwalker

7/24/21 8:08am

Doesn't matter how much it brings in

Gustav

7/24/21 8:11am

That’s especially true in post season revenue.

Everyman

7/24/21 8:24am

That isn’t the relevant question. Would they bring in more than average in a

gwalker

7/24/21 8:29am

Whether they bring in more than Purdue et al is irrelevant

Gustav

7/24/21 8:32am

Agreed.

gwalker

7/24/21 2:50pm

Evidence?

BYU '80

7/24/21 8:35am

Yes please, I don't recall seeing Kansas toward the top of any revenue lists

BYUFam1

7/24/21 8:43am

The revenue is irrelevant anyway — what matters is the collectively negotiated

Gustav

7/24/21 8:45am

Kansas was #28 overall in revenue

krindorr

7/24/21 8:47am

Not when they get a share of the big12 football pie

BYU '80

7/24/21 8:49am

Well they brought in $31M more than other Big12 schools like K State

krindorr

7/24/21 9:33am

And doesn't it show $40M was from donations?

BYUFam1

7/24/21 11:30am

I'm not sure they make more from basketball then football

krindorr

7/24/21 11:33am

But is it enough? Average p5 revenue is not going to improve the financials

StalwartBraveTrue

7/24/21 1:09pm

...before the G-League. Many of the best players are going to the G-League.

Benfica1

7/24/21 8:44am

I think the P12 should combine with the remaining 7 B12 schools (minus WVU) and

Junior Deputy

7/24/21 8:15am

One last thing is that the other Texas schools should see this as an opportunity

Junior Deputy

7/24/21 8:21am

Why on earth would the PAC want the big 12 leftovers?

All-American

7/24/21 9:58am

This is answered in my post. What part do you disagree with?

Junior Deputy

7/24/21 10:51am

The part where the PAC would want the big 12 leftovers.

All-American

7/24/21 12:14pm

Good talk

Junior Deputy

7/24/21 12:54pm

Even if they don’t add “value” in terms of market, by creating a super conferenc

ColonelMustard

7/24/21 10:43am

I was forgetting that even with a better tv deal they would have a to. More

ColonelMustard

7/24/21 10:46am

The mall analogy is great.

Florwood

7/24/21 8:02am

The remaining B12 schools are in panic mode and it’s every man for itself…

Housemartin

7/24/21 8:09am

That’ll last a week until they see they have to stick together. So then they expand.

Turnpike Lane

7/24/21 8:35am

Except nobody wants them. It’s the best kind of security, really.

All-American

7/24/21 10:17am

From Thamel, and other Big12 is going big = Trying to poach P5

Bobmarleyjr

7/24/21 8:46am

I think a call to Nebraska makes sense. But after they get turned down, they have to pivot to survival mode.

Turnpike Lane

7/24/21 8:55am

They may want to make overtures to anyone they think may b unhappy in their spot

cougarfan84

7/24/21 2:25pm

Everyone knows since 2011 and especially 2016 Big12 wants to expand

Bobmarleyjr

7/24/21 4:35pm

Good point, no P5 is going from stable to unstable for most likely less money…

Housemartin

7/24/21 9:16am

Since it only requires three teams to stay, I don't see the Big 12 going away

CougarVeteran

7/24/21 12:20pm

The best laid plans of mice and men. . .

CosmoK

7/24/21 12:41pm

I think Thamel’s right. I just don’t see pac or big 10 adding those teams.

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 9:09am

I don't see any G5 addition scenario where UH isn't the first team added

HONOMO

7/24/21 10:27am

I had read that TCU, TTU, Baylor were hesitant to add UH and SMU, FWIW

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 10:34am

While likely not as big a factor with Texas gone

CougarVeteran

7/24/21 12:26pm

I have not seen his article, but he's 100% right and I've been posting the...

LEDSFW

7/24/21 9:50am

I'd go with 1) BYU, 2) UCF 3) Houston, 4) Cincy or CSU.

Benfica1

7/24/21 10:25am

Ranging from San Diego to West Virginia is asking to be torn apart & gobbled up

krindorr

7/24/21 10:28am

TL:DR 1) UCF, 2) Cincy, 3) Houston, 4) BYU

krindorr

7/24/21 10:48am

Odd takes: one example is that Houston has lost the last 3 straight to BYU...

Benfica1

7/24/21 12:00pm

Not that much disagreement with you here

krindorr

7/24/21 2:51pm

You are forgetting the new paradigm factors of BRAND

Vegasjohn

7/24/21 1:56pm

That's true, new paradigm may help

krindorr

7/24/21 5:01pm

Great write up. Cincy would be #3 behind BYU/UCF

TFL

7/24/21 10:48am

So why does everyone think super conferences are inevitable? Will conferences

ColonelMustard

7/24/21 10:52am

Because they think it’s the trend. It’s not. The trend is to expand when it benefits

TFL

7/24/21 11:10am

I guess I thought enough leftovers would be big enough for a better tv deal.

ColonelMustard

7/24/21 1:49pm

The more I think about it the more I think the Big 12 stays together and expands

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 11:15am

The Big 12 is going to stay together and expand

2FarGone

7/24/21 10:09am

People on here have been acting like the B1G couldn’t have taken any team it

SLIVER

7/24/21 10:12am

Another interesting thing Thamel said in an interview with Finebaum last night

Hoss Bonaventure

7/24/21 10:38am

I don’t disagree with you from a competition standpoint but I think it’s . . .

theonick

7/24/21 11:12am

Really think to survive they need at least 12 members. Maybe more but agree TX isn’t what it used to be.

Soupie

7/24/21 11:16am

I doubt anything but football gets considered. They don’t want the headache of

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