Has any school achieved T1 status without dirtying their hands with...

Dec 21, 2021
8:33:13pm

Les IsMore All-American

Federal research grants? Those grants come with a lot of completely unrelated strings attached.

Years ago when I was a student at BYU, we were told that the BOT sees that as a problem and chooses not to go down that rabbit hole.

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Les IsMore

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Baylor gets tier 1 research status. Will BYU ever be interested in gaining

LiveCoug

12/21/21 4:47pm

I don’t think the BOT care all that much about it. They care about undergrad,

TerpCoug

12/21/21 4:49pm

Not in all fields. Teaching undergrad psychology is my passion

The Dark Knight

12/21/21 5:00pm

If it was something that they knew would benefit the University without compromising its mission, I'm sure they'd

Bob Vance

12/21/21 5:02pm

I think the BOT likes all the good things that the graduate research departments across BYU accomplish, so it's not like

dilbert

12/21/21 5:13pm

Kudos to USU and its Space Dynamics Lab.

Everyman

12/21/21 4:53pm

Not a surprise - SDL does good work

krindorr

12/22/21 6:42am

So is UAB

Mississippi

12/21/21 4:58pm

The BOT wants BYU to focus on undergraduate teaching, but have enough

Monomachos

12/21/21 5:34pm

As long as BYU and the BOT are more interested in training people to be good

Nat Gas Man

12/21/21 5:55pm

RE: As long as BYU and the BOT are more interested in training people to be good

ChadFromCougarTown

12/21/21 9:17pm

I felt that one of the main differences between my undergrad at BYU and my grad school program was that BYU

HarlemCoug

12/22/21 6:06am

BYUs resistance against research is beyond me. What I love is the nonsense

Bluedomination

12/22/21 5:13am

There isn't a "resistance against research" at BYU - faculty have an obligation

Monomachos

12/22/21 9:27am

This. There is a ton of great research going on at BYU. BYU (or the Church) is not trying to suppress that. But they do

dilbert

12/22/21 10:20am

Exactly; to go along with that, BYU is in the top ten of all universities in

Monomachos

12/22/21 12:36pm

The focus is to allow as many people as possible to have the "BYU experience."

Sir Hammer

12/21/21 7:32pm

I’m not 100% on this, but a large portion of achieving R1 is dependent on the

Sparky77

12/21/21 7:47pm

Has any school achieved T1 status without dirtying their hands with...

Les IsMore

12/21/21 8:33pm

BYU currently receives federal research grants. At least in the Environmental

Sparky77

12/21/21 9:04pm

It's not just environmental - BYU does a LOT of federal research grants

krindorr

12/22/21 5:32am

Yep. It's fascinating how widely believed this false rumor is. I'm not sure where it came from, but BYU researchers

dilbert

12/22/21 8:53am

It probably comes from the fact that BYUI and BYUH don't receive anything.

Oceanographer

12/22/21 11:05am

Yeah, maybe so.

dilbert

12/22/21 11:23am

No, BYU has no plans to become a T1 research school

ColoSpgs

12/21/21 10:10pm

Utes make a big deal but it’s not a big deal and not very exclusive.

Bobmarleyjr

12/22/21 12:51am

It does cut against the whole "BYU is the best school in the region" narrative

reddead

12/22/21 2:27am

I would put many if not most of the U and USU's grad research programs above BYU

MetaLearner

12/22/21 10:29am

Based upon applicant credentials BYU is by far the best in the area

Bobmarleyjr

12/22/21 11:28am

At the undergraduate level, yes. Not graduate level though (research programs).

MetaLearner

12/22/21 11:51am

Which graduate program at BYU is ranked worse than the counter parts?

Bobmarleyjr

12/22/21 12:09pm

Quite a few honestly

krindorr

12/22/21 12:12pm

Most of those listed are not offered at BYU especially all the medical.

Bobmarleyjr

12/22/21 1:09pm

So, let's go ahead and take all the medical out then - Utah then only has 13 better programs to BYU's 4

krindorr

12/22/21 1:20pm

There are approximately 1,452 4-year colleges and universities; only 137 are R1.

Everyman

12/22/21 6:00am

You can’t couldn’t all colleges without a graduate program

Bobmarleyjr

12/22/21 11:36am

There are close to 1200 colleges that grant at least 50 master's degrees

MetaLearner

12/22/21 12:04pm

My point is if commuter schools and schools with rolling admissions have it

Bobmarleyjr

12/22/21 12:13pm

Yes, I'm very familiar with these rankings.

MetaLearner

12/22/21 12:34pm

I agree with you to an extent. However, it's my experience that just because you

Sparky77

12/22/21 5:18pm

Yep agree with you on all points.

MetaLearner

12/22/21 5:45pm

That makes sense. I agree, even with the “blind” review process they still tend

Sparky77

12/22/21 6:09pm

Of that only 37 are Private schools and less than 10 even semi religious.

Sic'Em Beers

12/24/21 6:57pm

More importantly, BYU grads are rocking the world. Give it another decade or so

RealityCheck

12/22/21 7:01am

Yup, as this increases so will the quality of research

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