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POLL: Which potential rape reporting/ Honor Code policy is better?
frontrowcougar
4/29/16 10:45am
I'd be okay with a temporary exemption but not permanent
KingDave
4/29/16 10:47am
Which has the same effect as option B, doesn't it?
Finngirl
4/29/16 10:50am
Please explain.
Y'zFan
4/29/16 10:53am
My guess is that this is what Worthen will do. The thinking is that the first
Bostonblue
4/29/16 10:58am
They you might as well choose option B.
Finngirl
4/29/16 11:00am
It definitely will lead to inconsistencies with
Y'zFan
4/29/16 11:05am
When the rape investigation is done, then explore the situation for HC issues
KingDave
4/29/16 11:12am
Anyone who breaks the honor code should be investigated, be it immediately or after a period of time based on
DrKennethNoisewater
4/29/16 10:56am
That is logical in many ways but it will still
Y'zFan
4/29/16 10:58am
I am OK with the HCO investigating serious HC violations
Hoosier Cougar
4/29/16 10:57am
So the report coming from the rape suspect is fair game?
Kajdin
4/29/16 10:58am
Even if that other venue is from the alleged attacker?
concolor couguar
4/29/16 11:05am
I think the case by case approach would be best in that situation.
Hoosier Cougar
4/29/16 12:48pm
If its not a blanket policy, then all students who report rape risk being investigated for HC violations, and if that
Finngirl
4/29/16 12:52pm
I think the 'discourages reporting' is exaggerated for effect and based more on
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:04am
I know 6 women personally who were raped. Only 2 of them reported it.
Zilog
4/29/16 11:06am
Then you probably have a different opinion than me. Each of ours biased by our
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:08am
*alleged to have been raped. I assume you were not a witness to the crimes
Bostonblue
4/29/16 11:10am
Sigh..
Zilog
4/29/16 1:20pm
due process sucks, I know.
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:25pm
Do you think there are more false accusations of rape, than real ones?
Zilog
4/29/16 1:36pm
No idea. But what difference does not make? Due process rights apply to
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:43pm
Do you always correct people with *allegedly when they state something as fact
Zilog
4/29/16 2:16pm
no, I just do it for the really blatant instances. Just trying to be fair
Bostonblue
4/29/16 2:22pm
So I should have said I know 6 people that *alledgedly were raped?
Zilog
4/29/16 2:33pm
'Say they were' 'claim to have been' the way you phrased it made it seem like
BYUtka
4/29/16 2:48pm
I mean I knew these women personally. Not heard of from someone else.
Zilog
4/29/16 2:54pm
have you ever met someone in person that lied?
Bostonblue
4/29/16 3:01pm
Yes. I still don't undesrtand the reason for you posting that.
Zilog
4/29/16 3:09pm
Yep. You don't have personal knowledge, so in my opinion, you shouldn't be
Bostonblue
4/29/16 3:24pm
So we're you there and involved? I think we were all just assuming you weren't
BYUtka
4/29/16 2:24pm
No I wasn't there. I just didn't undestand the reasoning of his comment.
Zilog
4/29/16 2:34pm
That is different. My first thought based on your post is that you were the perp
BYUtka
4/29/16 2:46pm
YOU thought I was saying I raped 6 women and only 2 reported it? Really?
Zilog
4/29/16 2:52pm
I figured you weren't, but the way you phrased it, the first thought was you
BYUtka
4/29/16 3:11pm
Well I'm glad I got clarification from you.
Zilog
4/29/16 3:29pm
At BYU or in general?
BYUtka
4/29/16 2:06pm
I feel the exact opposite. I think the number of false claims of rape are
concolor couguar
4/29/16 11:08am
You think there are people that have an agenda to affirmatively promote
Bostonblue
4/29/16 11:11am
I think you misunderstood what he said. The number of "false" reports is exagger
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:13am
why would you think conservatives would want to promote that agenda?
Bostonblue
4/29/16 11:38am
There could be lots of reasons. My first gut though is just as a counteragenda
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:45am
So you admit that you and concolor are
Y'zFan
4/29/16 11:55am
I'm not necessarily taking a position. Was just trying to explain what I thought
Jay Rick
4/29/16 12:11pm
truth is that almost everyone in society instantly takes the side of
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:00pm
Its funny that some posters here automatically believe Bill Clinton's rape victims but are suspicious of most other
Finngirl
4/29/16 12:19pm
I really think this is the core issue at hand What is really the 'Truth'? We
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:13am
Unfortunately, in the "who do you trust more, SJWs or BYU" question, I can't say
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:15am
Considering we have no real facts, and neither side is credible. Although using
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:18am
Yeah, that was a little TIC. But what did I expect her to say? Either something
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:20am
I expect her to tell the truth...or at least not say something like that
concolor couguar
4/29/16 11:21am
With things like that 'truth' is subjective.
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:27am
I would throw an intent to deceive flag on that statement all day long
concolor couguar
4/29/16 11:29am
Then she should say nothing. But don't say something patently untrue.
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:31am
Is it patently untrue? Or do you just assume people want it because you do?
BYUtka
4/29/16 3:13pm
Not just me. Pretty much everyone I ever knew at BYU. But now I'm curious so I'm
Jay Rick
4/29/16 3:38pm
I am not saying the data on caffeine isn't skewed via an agenda, but 'true' in
BYUtka
4/29/16 3:53pm
BYU thinks false reports are high? I dont think that statement is justifiable
concolor couguar
4/29/16 11:18am
Who said they were high? I don't think that is what I said.
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:40am
Sorry if you disagree with the phrasing. You said you trust BYU over the stats
concolor couguar
4/29/16 11:45am
Based on what?
Y'zFan
4/29/16 11:39am
DOJ survey with regard to campus rape reporting
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:01pm
So what are the real numbers?
Y'zFan
4/29/16 12:16pm
80% of campus rapes unreported according to the DOJ
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:19pm
That's not the question. What is the actual
Y'zFan
4/29/16 12:37pm
There's no way anyone could possibly know that. See my post below.
Jay Rick
4/29/16 12:41pm
You asked why I feel that way
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:43pm
I think I acknowledged that no one has 'true' numbers.
BYUtka
4/29/16 1:03pm
There are definitely numbers that have been produced that would give us an
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:13pm
Like 50 percent of marriages end in divorce and Utah is #1 in porn viewing.
BYUtka
4/29/16 2:10pm
Orange you glad we dont have to rely on single studies
concolor couguar
4/29/16 2:15pm
You are just reporting your feelings.
Y'zFan
4/29/16 1:03pm
I think it because of the reported numbers I have seen
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:10pm
Well then explain your argument.
Y'zFan
4/29/16 1:11pm
Did you want false claim studies or under reporting studies?
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:20pm
Great. Now explain your argument.
Y'zFan
4/29/16 2:46pm
Why would an exemption increase false claims?
Reborncoug
4/29/16 11:13am
Simple economics.
frontrowcougar
4/29/16 11:16am
How does reporting a sexual assault benefit someone economically?
Reborncoug
4/29/16 11:19am
The argument is that someone is having consensual sex and gets caught, or is
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:23am
ThanksI was focusing on incidents where victim isn't
Reborncoug
4/29/16 11:34am
Thanks. I was just considering situations where victim isn't accused first.
Reborncoug
4/29/16 11:35am
And I think that's an important distinction.
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:42am
Isn't this what happened with the Crowton era rape allegations?
Bostonblue
4/29/16 11:47am
I know nothing about that, but will say that just b/c no one was convicted,
Jay Rick
4/29/16 11:56am
if you won't accept a jury verdict as proof of what occurred, then couldn't
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:24pm
You realize their is a vast difference between a not guilty verdict and
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:29pm
I understand that. But if you're an accused person, that is your only chance
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:40pm
I suspect an equal number of truly guilty rapists are found not guilty
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:49pm
your willingness to speculate and guess re: other peoples' lives is insane
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:52pm
How did I impact other peoples lives with this speculation?
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:56pm
I can't say cause I have no idea who you are and what influence you'd had.
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:58pm
Being that I made the statement 10 minutes ago I would need to be very
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:00pm
go look at your post history. you'd be surprised.
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:03pm
surprised at what?
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:11pm
at what a complete biased homer you are on this issue. I'd never allow you to
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:17pm
The only "homer" here is you
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:22pm
go look at my posting history. I'm perfectly willing to say that
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:27pm
Not BYU but some posters deserve the title for sure and probably some employees
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:30pm
I hear there is a search function on CB. Try it.
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:43pm
No thanks, I have read more of your posts than I care to already.
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:51pm
ok. Take my word for it then.
Bostonblue
4/29/16 1:54pm
Definitely data problems on both sides.
Jay Rick
4/29/16 12:35pm
I appreciate that you are willing to view these statistics with a critical eye.
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:42pm
and you are convinced any study is crap if it goes against your opinion
concolor couguar
4/29/16 12:52pm
Nope. I just view stats with a critical eye. Thanks a lot Stats 200!
Bostonblue
4/29/16 12:59pm
Your posting history says otherwise
concolor couguar
4/29/16 1:00pm
Example?
Bostonblue
4/29/16 2:23pm
Really? You see no benefit to making a false rape claim? Especially at BYU it is
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:24am
But why would that get reported anyway? If someone is going to lie and say she
Scratch
4/29/16 11:33am
To be ahead of the fallout. Try to appease the guilt. Lots of reasons.
BYUtka
4/29/16 11:39am
Economics deals with cause and effect.
Y'zFan
4/29/16 11:29am
if you want to avoid discipline for consensual sex, I could see people
Bostonblue
4/29/16 11:41am
My thoughts:
frontrowcougar
4/29/16 11:15am
Are we talking about rape being used as a positive defense against HC
Reborncoug
4/29/16 11:28am
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